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  • I say allow The Daily Garnet to continue. At worst, lock the thread once it is posted so no one can reply. TDG has been going on for a long while now and has caused no one any harm. I don't share the exact beliefs as everyone on this board, but everyone has a right to what they believe in and if it can be delivered in a sensible manner as thegodfather has done, then why stop it? JMO.

    "I used to walk up a hill to and from school in my days", says every Clemson student ever.

    jbaker8537 ●

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  • jbaker7033 said...

    I say allow The Daily Garnet to continue. At worst, lock the thread once it is posted so no one can reply. TDG has been going on for a long while now and has caused no one any harm. I don't share the exact beliefs as everyone on this board, but everyone has a right to what they believe in and if it can be delivered in a sensible manner as thegodfather has done, then why stop it? JMO.

    I don't hate the idea. My only concern is that he would be considered as getting unequal treatment...thus christianity is also getting preferential treatment. Do you see my concern here? If the vast majority of the board is cool with this, so am I.

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  • 3.0 said...

    I don't hate the idea. My only concern is that he would be considered as getting unequal treatment...thus christianity is also getting preferential treatment. Do you see my concern here? If the vast majority of the board is cool with this, so am I.

    If it would help you feel better, for the purpose of fairness, balance and harmony I could post passages from the Talmud or the Torah or verses from the Quran strictly so that one faith doesn't get any preferential treatment...I'm sure someone would volunteer to post agnostic and atheist teachings and parables.

    Seriously people, you need to "Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."

    You'll wind up with a board full of threads discussing nothing more substanative than your favorite song or movie or do you prefer 17 or Teen Beat … Is she hot or not ... does she trim, go natural or go smooth ... can you wear socks with your Sperry top siders … are Croakies and cargo shorts allowed to be worn with a Gamecock jersey if you’re over 40 - topics and subjects more consistent with CAL's desire for "crude high school jokes and You Tube videos..."

    The issue has never been about religious or political commentary - it has been about etiquette and opinion and disagreement. Specifically, as I see it, the lack of decorum and the inability to disagree without insult or attack is what should be addressed and locked...not the Godfather's proverb or scripture of the day.

    He's been posting his "religious" comments for several months and many probably find them beneficial and soothing to the soul. I doubt there have ever been more than two or three add on comments to any one of them and probably no more than a couple of negative posts collectively.

    There's been more vitriolic debate regarding Garcia than the GF's posts. Let the man post his Stuart Smalley Daily Affirmations or biblical verses - anyone who complains is free to post their own version of Lowered Expectations.

    Lock the thread when the discussion turns crass or caustic … confront the violator ... don't arbitrarily ban opinioned discourse. If a member is offended, let them speak up and then a moderator can make an appropriate intervention.

    Just my two cents, for what it’s worth.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by johnhunt on 5/12/2012 at 7:47 PM

    johnhunt ●

  • 3.0 said...

    I don't hate the idea. My only concern is that he would be considered as getting unequal treatment...thus christianity is also getting preferential treatment. Do you see my concern here? If the vast majority of the board is cool with this, so am I.

    3.0, I admire your dedication to fairness but I think the Daily Garnet is as non-controversial as anything could be.

    The one's I've read at least have been non-denominational in content and have offered uplifting guidance without ever putting down other faiths or wading into debates about issues of this world.

    My suggestion would be to ask Godfather to stick to this form of communication(I'm sure he will anyway) and lock each thread after Godfather's post. If other posters wish to ask Godfather questions or thank him for his efforts, they can do so with a PM. That way you're guaranteed no headaches.

    I know I've enjoyed and appreciated his efforts.

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    81 Alumnus ●

  • This thread makes me want to give this board a slogan:

    Don't let a few asses ruin the entire Banyard.

    EarthyTechnoPop

  • johnhunt said...

    If it would help you feel better, for the purpose of fairness, balance and harmony I could post passages from the Talmud or the Torah or verses from the Quran strictly so that one faith doesn't get any preferential treatment...I'm sure someone would volunteer to post agnostic and atheist teachings and parables.

    Seriously people, you need to "Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."

    You'll wind up with a board full of threads discussing nothing more substanative than your favorite song or movie or do you prefer 17 or Teen Beat … Is she hot or not ... does she trim, go natural or go smooth ... can you wear socks with your Sperry top siders … are Croakies and cargo shorts allowed to be worn with a Gamecock jersey if you’re over 40 - topics and subjects more consistent with CAL's desire for "crude high school jokes and You Tube videos..."

    The issue has never been about religious or political commentary - it has been about etiquette and opinion and disagreement. Specifically, as I see it, the lack of decorum and the inability to disagree without insult or attack is what should be addressed and locked...not the Godfather's proverb or scripture of the day.

    He's been posting his "religious" comments for several months and many probably find them beneficial and soothing to the soul. I doubt there have ever been more than two or three add on comments to any one of them and probably no more than a couple of negative posts collectively.

    There's been more vitriolic debate regarding Garcia than the GF's posts. Let the man post his Stuart Smalley Daily Affirmations or biblical verses - anyone who complains is free to post their own version of Lowered Expectations.

    Lock the thread when the discussion turns crass or caustic … confront the violator ... don't arbitrarily ban opinioned discourse. If a member is offended, let them speak up and then a moderator can make an appropriate intervention.

    Just my two cents, for what it’s worth.

    I agree with this completely. Debate itself doesn't need to be addressed, only uncouth baiting and caustic arguments.

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    joetheogre

  • so now it appears that the few bad apples, pun intended, including myself, are to be not only undesirable trouble makers, but oppressors of religion too boot.

    so our very presence is a defamation of god himself. gee willikers...i guess to follow the dictates of this new song by passion pit

    Passion Pit - Take a Walk

    Single from the upcoming album All these kinds of places ma...

    www.youtube.com

    Aaron Burr Cock ●

  • johnhunt said...

    If it would help you feel better, for the purpose of fairness, balance and harmony I could post passages from the Talmud or the Torah or verses from the Quran strictly so that one faith doesn't get any preferential treatment...I'm sure someone would volunteer to post agnostic and atheist teachings and parables.

    Seriously people, you need to "Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."

    You'll wind up with a board full of threads discussing nothing more substanative than your favorite song or movie or do you prefer 17 or Teen Beat … Is she hot or not ... does she trim, go natural or go smooth ... can you wear socks with your Sperry top siders … are Croakies and cargo shorts allowed to be worn with a Gamecock jersey if you’re over 40 - topics and subjects more consistent with CAL's desire for "crude high school jokes and You Tube videos..."

    The issue has never been about religious or political commentary - it has been about etiquette and opinion and disagreement. Specifically, as I see it, the lack of decorum and the inability to disagree without insult or attack is what should be addressed and locked...not the Godfather's proverb or scripture of the day.

    He's been posting his "religious" comments for several months and many probably find them beneficial and soothing to the soul. I doubt there have ever been more than two or three add on comments to any one of them and probably no more than a couple of negative posts collectively.

    There's been more vitriolic debate regarding Garcia than the GF's posts. Let the man post his Stuart Smalley Daily Affirmations or biblical verses - anyone who complains is free to post their own version of Lowered Expectations.

    Lock the thread when the discussion turns crass or caustic … confront the violator ... don't arbitrarily ban opinioned discourse. If a member is offended, let them speak up and then a moderator can make an appropriate intervention.

    Just my two cents, for what it’s worth.

    clap well said.

    I was waiting for this. I am all for open discussion. It kills me a bit inside to censor like this, its not really who I am. I think what we need is a well thought out 'manifesto' for how inappropriateness will be handled. Perhaps set up a progressive ban length for offenses?

    Another thing that is a temporary worry for me is my access to the board. I am often not around on weekends and evenings because of where I live. During the times I'm away, threads get completely out of control, and I'd have to ban half the frequent visitors to the barnyard because of something I could have nipped in the bud hours ago. I'm moving back to civilization within a few months, so I'll have more consistent access then. But until that time, that is a dilemma I have.

    I completely agree about Godfather's posts. They're less threatening than kittens. However, is the majority of the board open to reading from the Quaran... or buddhist principles? Will those threads turn ugly? Will I have to get the ban hammer out to protect those posters?

    Would any of you be open to helping me moderate this board?

    I don't want to shut down discussion. I mean this is a message board after all.... right?

    I'd love to hear more of your thoughts folks.

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  • 3.0 said...

    clap well said.

    I was waiting for this. I am all for open discussion. It kills me a bit inside to censor like this, its not really who I am. I think what we need is a well thought out 'manifesto' for how inappropriateness will be handled. Perhaps set up a progressive ban length for offenses?

    Another thing that is a temporary worry for me is my access to the board. I am often not around on weekends and evenings because of where I live. During the times I'm away, threads get completely out of control, and I'd have to ban half the frequent visitors to the barnyard because of something I could have nipped in the bud hours ago. I'm moving back to civilization within a few months, so I'll have more consistent access then. But until that time, that is a dilemma I have.

    I completely agree about Godfather's posts. They're less threatening than kittens. However, is the majority of the board open to reading from the Quaran... or buddhist principles? Will those threads turn ugly? Will I have to get the ban hammer out to protect those posters?

    Would any of you be open to helping me moderate this board?

    I don't want to shut down discussion. I mean this is a message board after all.... right?

    I'd love to hear more of your thoughts folks.

    I wouldn't moderate a board for a million dollars. Well, actually I would for a million dollars, but you ain't paying that.

    We all know that a daily non-politcal, inspirational message from a Muslim or even Buddhist point of view would not go over well with some people on this board. But is that a reason to deny someone like me, who benefits from the Daily Garnet and would be fine with devotionals from other faiths, the opportunity to enjoy the Daily Garnet?

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  • 3.0 said...

    clap well said.

    I was waiting for this. I am all for open discussion. It kills me a bit inside to censor like this, its not really who I am. I think what we need is a well thought out 'manifesto' for how inappropriateness will be handled. Perhaps set up a progressive ban length for offenses?

    Another thing that is a temporary worry for me is my access to the board. I am often not around on weekends and evenings because of where I live. During the times I'm away, threads get completely out of control, and I'd have to ban half the frequent visitors to the barnyard because of something I could have nipped in the bud hours ago. I'm moving back to civilization within a few months, so I'll have more consistent access then. But until that time, that is a dilemma I have.

    I completely agree about Godfather's posts. They're less threatening than kittens. However, is the majority of the board open to reading from the Quaran... or buddhist principles? Will those threads turn ugly? Will I have to get the ban hammer out to protect those posters?

    Would any of you be open to helping me moderate this board?

    I don't want to shut down discussion. I mean this is a message board after all.... right?

    I'd love to hear more of your thoughts folks.

    I think a manifesto type of deal would be appropriate. Maybe a PM warning for a first offense, 1 week ban for a second, 1 month for a third, and maybe a permanent ban for a fourth. Something like that.

    I would definitely be willing to help moderate if needed. I am around a fair amount.

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    joetheogre

  • My proposal for punishment.

    1st offense: public apology or 2 day ban
    2nd offense: 1 week
    3rd offense: 2 weeks
    4th offense: 1 month

    Before this can be instituted, we need thumbs up and thumbs down emoticons, either that or a sign that says "off with his head"

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    CockAtLaw ●

  • Reasonable.

    augustacarguy

  • CockAtLaw said...

    My proposal for punishment.

    1st offense: 2 day ban
    2nd offense: 1 week
    3rd offense: 1 month
    4th offense:

    Before this can be instituted, we need thumbs up and thumbs down emoticons, either that or a sign that says "off with his head"

    the way we do it on another forum is by "infraction points" - a bad post will get you X amount of points, get more than Y amount and it's a 3 day ban. The last resort is a perm ban, the moderators reserve the right to adjust points if the poster is constantly on the edge.

    not sure if there is a framework for something like this on the 247 platform though.

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  • johnhunt said...

    If it would help you feel better, for the purpose of fairness, balance and harmony I could post passages from the Talmud or the Torah or verses from the Quran strictly so that one faith doesn't get any preferential treatment...I'm sure someone would volunteer to post agnostic and atheist teachings and parables.

    Seriously people, you need to "Be careful what you wish for, it might come true."

    You'll wind up with a board full of threads discussing nothing more substanative than your favorite song or movie or do you prefer 17 or Teen Beat … Is she hot or not ... does she trim, go natural or go smooth ... can you wear socks with your Sperry top siders … are Croakies and cargo shorts allowed to be worn with a Gamecock jersey if you’re over 40 - topics and subjects more consistent with CAL's desire for "crude high school jokes and You Tube videos..."

    The issue has never been about religious or political commentary - it has been about etiquette and opinion and disagreement. Specifically, as I see it, the lack of decorum and the inability to disagree without insult or attack is what should be addressed and locked...not the Godfather's proverb or scripture of the day.

    He's been posting his "religious" comments for several months and many probably find them beneficial and soothing to the soul. I doubt there have ever been more than two or three add on comments to any one of them and probably no more than a couple of negative posts collectively.

    There's been more vitriolic debate regarding Garcia than the GF's posts. Let the man post his Stuart Smalley Daily Affirmations or biblical verses - anyone who complains is free to post their own version of Lowered Expectations.

    Lock the thread when the discussion turns crass or caustic … confront the violator ... don't arbitrarily ban opinioned discourse. If a member is offended, let them speak up and then a moderator can make an appropriate intervention.

    Just my two cents, for what it’s worth.

    I second this and all other supportive posts (of course) for TDG. Would it also help if I vow that I never respond in an ill mannered way? biggrin Not that I do anyway, and not that they get many responses which is fine. If others don't like my TDG posts, then more than likely they'll pass on reading anyway.

    I know that if I see a topic that I don't care to read, then I generally don't even open it. I'm probably not alone on this practice. I'm all for the auto lock as well.

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  • jbaker7033 said...

    I say allow The Daily Garnet to continue. At worst, lock the thread once it is posted so no one can reply. TDG has been going on for a long while now and has caused no one any harm. I don't share the exact beliefs as everyone on this board, but everyone has a right to what they believe in and if it can be delivered in a sensible manner as thegodfather has done, then why stop it? JMO.

    Thanks, and I appreciate everyone's supportive posts. I definitely do not mean any harm and only want to share what has been a positive life changing experience for me.

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  • thegodfather said...

    Thanks, and I appreciate everyone's supportive posts. I definitely do not mean any harm and only want to share what has been a positive life changing experience for me.

    Well, thank you for the time, effort, thought and prayer you've put into it.

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    81 Alumnus ●

  • i must apologize for not trying to make a reasoned argument, but then, nobody expects it from me, not wants it i doubt

    i think mr hunts suggestions, as well as the statute of repercussions in another post about infractions

    i have not tried to argue for reason as that is not not my function in life.

    lastly did anybody like the take a walk song?

    it means something to me...cause i do take a walk. every day if i can.

    Aaron Burr Cock ●

  • Thank you!

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  • 3.0 said...

    clap well said.

    I was waiting for this. I am all for open discussion. It kills me a bit inside to censor like this, its not really who I am. I think what we need is a well thought out 'manifesto' for how inappropriateness will be handled. Perhaps set up a progressive ban length for offenses?

    Another thing that is a temporary worry for me is my access to the board. I am often not around on weekends and evenings because of where I live. During the times I'm away, threads get completely out of control, and I'd have to ban half the frequent visitors to the barnyard because of something I could have nipped in the bud hours ago. I'm moving back to civilization within a few months, so I'll have more consistent access then. But until that time, that is a dilemma I have.

    I completely agree about Godfather's posts. They're less threatening than kittens. However, is the majority of the board open to reading from the Quaran... or buddhist principles? Will those threads turn ugly? Will I have to get the ban hammer out to protect those posters?

    Would any of you be open to helping me moderate this board?

    I don't want to shut down discussion. I mean this is a message board after all.... right?

    I'd love to hear more of your thoughts folks.

    I'm a mod as well 3.0, and I delete quite a bit. I help when I see things. Typically I allow a conversation to continue until it's to the point of almost being out of control. I will continue to help all that I can.

    "I used to walk up a hill to and from school in my days", says every Clemson student ever.

    jbaker8537 ●

  • I've got a suggestion, and I don't know how it would work out but I think it would be worth a shot. There only seems to be about 10 or 15 of us who post regularly here on the barnyard. Could we set it up so that 3.0 would make a thread detailing what is and isn't allowed in discussions, and what the punishments would be for violating those rules, then everyone who posts (or wants to post) here signs it. If someone breaks the rules (or is accused of breaking the rules), either the mods can vote or the group as a whole could vote whether or not they actually broke the rule. If they are found guilty, so to speak, they automatically get whatever punishment is detailed in the original mod post.
    Just my two cents, and it would be something that would bring me back to posting here more often.

    Tempest

  • 3.0 said...

    Fellow Barnyarders,

    After careful consideration and deliberation, I think it is best if we leave these conversations for somewhere else. The aim of this board should be to attract people to The Big Spur, not the opposite.

    The barnyard is an off topic board. I'd personally like to see emphasis on music, comedy, sports, movies, TV etc.

    The attraction to The Big Spur should be Gamecock sports information, discussion, analysis, commentary and opinion. The attraction to The Big Spur should not be an off topic board.

    For me, the attraction to The Big Spur has always been the timely, accurate, and comprehensive information and insight provided by the staff making this site far superior to all others.

    When the Barnyard is opened a description of the board appears:

    The Barnyard - The place for Gamecock football and recruiting talk, plus off-topic subjects.

    Rules of engagement for all the boards are already enumerated under the heading “Board Rules”. Specifically identified is:

    The Barnyard
    … It is not as heavily moderated as Palmetto Proving Grounds, but there still is an expectation of acting like an adult. Political banter will be deleted if it involves name-calling or mud-slinging. We also will delete posts that have over-the-top profanity and sexually explicit content. 



    I don’t see a need to be a signatory to that which is clearly defined and understood.

    There are also a couple of push pin sticky note reminders such as “Political banter” and “Please watch you language” reminding the members of these rules.

    Perhaps the rules could be updated to include consequences, i.e. warnings, loss of posting privileges, etc. and of course enforcement must be followed through.

    Personally, I don’t see how banning controversial topics would be an attraction to the site.

    Perhaps a new board category could be added. It would include a warning label in the description: “Caution, Enter at your own risk. Threads may include religious and political subject matter which may contain offensive and caustic dialogue.”

    With the addition of a new board, the 'Yard can be reserved and limited to the topics preferred by 3.0

    Again, for what it’s worth, just an additional two cents worth of my opinion.

    johnhunt ●

  • i am going to self punish myelf by lashing my back with a belt
    my wife offered to help.

    Aaron Burr Cock ●

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