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9/11 conspiracy theorists

  • Any of you guys ever encounter one of them? I got into an argument with a friend of a friend on Facebook and man are these guys nuts. They swear up and down that there is some shadow government secretly pulling all the strings behind the US. Some guy called me an idiot, and yet he follows this Alex Jones character? All I can say is wow

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    45 Failed Alex Jones Predictions

    Alex's track record is terrible, because he deliberately lies.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/bxt_bEDdTTc
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    "Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche

    joetheogre

  • The funny part about 9/11 conspiracy theories is they are almost 99% espoused by people on the fring left. They all think Dubya was barely smart enough to sign his own name, but they think that he somehow orchestrated this either a) massively complicated bombings or b) massively intricate political string pulling. Doesn't make any sense.

    Tempest

  • Tempest said...

    The funny part about 9/11 conspiracy theories is they are almost 99% espoused by people on the fring left. They all think Dubya was barely smart enough to sign his own name, but they think that he somehow orchestrated this either a) massively complicated bombings or b) massively intricate political string pulling. Doesn't make any sense.

    alex jones is a birther too.

    and some part of the 9-11 miasma includes the theory that israel was behind the whole thing, mossad did it.

    left right? or just plain crazy as hell?

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • Tempest said...

    The funny part about 9/11 conspiracy theories is they are almost 99% espoused by people on the fring left. They all think Dubya was barely smart enough to sign his own name, but they think that he somehow orchestrated this either a) massively complicated bombings or b) massively intricate political string pulling. Doesn't make any sense.

    Exactly! They keep trying to say how corrupt and inefficent our government is, but yet think they are capable of a massive operation including hijacking four planes, killing thousands of people and blowing up buildings to without anyone finding out. Then the guy I was arguing had the gall to say 86% of americans agree with him based on a voluntary online poll when in reality it is closer to 15%. 15% of Americans also have an IQ below 80 so I guess some people will believe anything.

    This people aren't even liberals, they seem to be anarcho-libertarians.

    Here are some of the things this friend of mine has said:

    "Instead of choosing to believe that a man which was never put on the FBIs most wanted list for the crimes of 9/11 while on his last leg of life orchestrated the largest attack on American soil from a cave on the other side of the world using goons that failed out of their flight schools and used indestructible passports, bandanas, and religious texts that were magically pulled out of rubble even though the jet fuel incinerated everything else, including steel beams which cannot physically be melted by jet fuel----I choose to believe that the entire ordeal was caused by those that gained control, and profited from it. I don't know if thats to large of a rational leap of faith for you or not, but I'm very interested in hearing any rational counter argument you can muster up."

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  • Aaron Burr Cock said...

    alex jones is a birther too.

    and some part of the 9-11 miasma includes the theory that israel was behind the whole thing, mossad did it.

    left right? or just plain crazy as hell?

    Just plain crazy as hell. The fun thing about conspiracy theories is that by definition they are impossible to disprove.

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  • Tempest said...

    The funny part about 9/11 conspiracy theories is they are almost 99% espoused by people on the fring left. They all think Dubya was barely smart enough to sign his own name, but they think that he somehow orchestrated this either a) massively complicated bombings or b) massively intricate political string pulling. Doesn't make any sense.

    Most "truthers" are "birthers." Most self-identify as right-wingers.

    The American Conservative » Truthers, Birthers, and Other Ordinary Kooks

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/truthers-birthers-and-other-ordinary-kooks/

    www.theamericanconservative.com
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  • I guess I should have said that the ones that I know are leftists.

    Tempest

  • I believe our government would let something happen to get our support. We sento go to war. Like Pearl Harbour or The Gulf Of Tonkin but I do not believe our government did 911. I have always wondered would it be that easy to fly a 747 into a building and never have flown plane before.

    GamecockWorld

  • GamecockWorld said...

    I believe our government would let something happen to get our support. We sento go to war. Like Pearl Harbour or The Gulf Of Tonkin but I do not believe our government did 911. I have always wondered would it be that easy to fly a 747 into a building and never have flown plane before.

    That position is somewhat reasonable I think. Perhaps they had a hint that "something" was coming. I guess we will never know. But the guy I talked to said there was a massive globalist conspiracy run by multinational corporations and the wealthy elite to control the US, provoke a war, to kill millions of "brown people", and profit from military spending. What a loon. He claims this guy is the only voice of truth and that every other news outlet is in corporations pockets.

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    Alex Jones--Light Bulbs are Spying on You

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  • joetheogre said...

    That position is somewhat reasonable I think. Perhaps they had a hint that "something" was coming. I guess we will never know. But the guy I talked to said there was a massive globalist conspiracy run by multinational corporations and the wealthy elite to control the US, provoke a war, to kill millions of "brown people", and profit from military spending. What a loon. He claims this guy is the only voice of truth and that every other news outlet is in corporations pockets.

    Now I do believe groups like The Council On Foreign Relations and especially The Buidaberg's have a lot of influence in the world affairs. I am okay right now with everything until we all merge and then the World Court starts coming into every American house and take all of our guns. Most left wing liberals would like that now anyways.

    GamecockWorld

  • Delicious Tacos said...

    You mean like a detailed report that revealed that al qaeda was planning on hijacking planes and flying them into buildings? Yeah, glad we didn't have anything like that....

    Hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure they get detailed reports on hundreds of different terrorist plans every single day. To me, I'd be a lot angrier if they hijacked the planes using guns or bombs, but they used freaking box cutters.

    Tempest

  • Delicious Tacos said...

    You mean like a detailed report that revealed that al qaeda was planning on hijacking planes and flying them into buildings? Yeah, glad we didn't have anything like that....

    Like Tempest says, do you have any idea how much info the NSA, CIA, and FBI get every day? It would be impossible to act on all of it.

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  • joetheogre said...

    Like Tempest says, do you have any idea how much info the NSA, CIA, and FBI get every day? It would be impossible to act on all of it.

    I'm guessing you were a kid in 2001 and don't remember the extensive coverage of this

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb.html

    It's called the President's Daily Briefing, this one from August 6, 2001. Read it.

    I don't think for a moment that the Bush administration's failure to listen to the national security advisor who presented this directly to President Bush that morning, Richard Clarke, was based on some sinister conspiracy. I'm not a Truther,

    I think it was based on stupidity and incompetence. I'm a realist.

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    I'm not saying they should've acted on it, I'm just pointing out that saying "maybe they had a hint something was coming" seems a little odd when we now know that there were detailed reports on what was coming.

    in hindsight, anyone with a brain shouldve seen "it" coming.

    bin laden like hitler made it clear what he intended. too many did not take him seriously enough. and i include myself in that. but hindsight is damn better than what you have to live with

    anyone, in hindsight, knew japan was going to attack either american or british interests in ww2....where and how was unclear. the japanese had to secure petroleum so the first strike perhaps was to be anticipated to the south. any good strategic thinking can tell you something is coming. not exactly how

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • 81 Alumnus said...

    I'm guessing you were a kid in 2001 and don't remember the extensive coverage of this

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb.html

    It's called the President's Daily Briefing, this one from August 6, 2001. Read it.

    I don't think for a moment that the Bush administration's failure to listen to the national security advisor who presented this directly to President Bush that morning, Richard Clarke, was based on some sinister conspiracy. I'm not a Truther,

    I think it was based on stupidity and incompetence. I'm a realist.

    Stupidity and incompetance I can believe, a conspiracy I cannot. Word would have gotten out.

    I was 11 when the planes hit, but I was a pretty astute 11 year old. I read the newspaper and watched the news almost every night with my parents. I was about as informed as any high schooler was.

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    I'm not saying they should've acted on it, I'm just pointing out that saying "maybe they had a hint something was coming" seems a little odd when we now know that there were detailed reports on what was coming.

    I pretty much agree with what ABC. Something was coming, but a variety of factors obscured the truth and we failed to act on it in time. A blunder yes, but not a deliberate oversight.

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    joetheogre

  • Remember the Trillion drop in the stock market a few years back?
    I knew about that 3 months in advance. No one would listen, everyone rolled their eyes, called me crazy.
    After it happened I heard "you tried to tell us, didn't you?"
    Well.............................duhhhhhhh.
    Ummmm....here's a little tip....that was INTENTIONAL. How do you think I knew about it ahead of time?

    People will believe exactly what they want to believe, whether it is the truth or not. They will take a stand and fight, whether right or wrong it doesn't matter. All that matter is that they know what THEY believe, therefore, it must be right.

    There are many, many strange facts about 9/11. A lot of it makes absolutely no sense. Who is to say what the truth is. Who knows? People will only believe what they think the truth is, regardless of what the facts may or may not say.

    As for our gov't, what do you think of the following quote:
    Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.
    Theodore Roosevelt
    That from one of our Presidents.

    You don't have to believe him if you don't want to. A little research shows some strange things happening behind the scenes. I'd be happy to elaborate a bit, but I've been on this board long enough to know that most of you will roll your eyes, and throw darts, and have a temper tantrum over things you haven't researched yet.

    What you don't know can't hurt you....right?
    Yeah, sure. Believe that if you want to.

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    TheRoosterCrows

  • Do you remember that one time that terrible movie came out and I said it was going to be terrible beforehand? Of course not, because I didn't actually mention that here, nor do I have any type of proof.
    Come on dude, get real.

    Tempest

  • Tempest said...

    Do you remember that one time that terrible movie came out and I said it was going to be terrible beforehand? Of course not, because I didn't actually mention that here, nor do I have any type of proof. Come on dude, get real.

    Really, is that the best you have?
    AS I said...some of you will only believe what you want. Enjoy.

    I'd love to hear your take on the FDA. Give it a go. Let's see what you really know. A clue....the real truth is right in front of your eyes, but few see it. Ouch.

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    Are you implying that people should believe what they think the truth isn't?

    LoL....ok, the written word lacks proper emphasis verses the spoken word, so that didn't quite convey what I meant it too.

    Allow me to try this again. Perhaps it would be better to write it this way...

    People will only believe what they THINK the truth is.
    In other words, it doesn't matter what the truth is, they don't care, they will only believe what they choose to think the truth is.

    If a clemson fan chooses to believe his puddy tats are better than USC, then even in the face of losing by 3 td's, he will still believe his truth to be so.

    Little Sammy thinks if he would have caught that dropped TD pass, clemson would have won. Dang, if their QB would have caught that ball thrown to him, which looked like it would have been a TD, they still would have been down by 7. That's only 14 points, they lost by 21. You can't use the truth to reason with a tater....as I said, people will only believe what they THINK the truth is.

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  • My point is, you provide absolutely zero proof that:
    You "knew" about the stock market drop. Are you now a millionaire? If not, why not? How did you know? Where did you get the knowledge? How were they able to manufacture a drop? Why then?
    What is it that you "know" about the FDA? How did you come to this conclusion?

    Most conspiracy theorists deal in the 2 extremes - extremely vague, or extremely specific. That way, should one of their many (many) predicitons come true, they can point to it and exclaim "You see! I knew it all along!".
    I always have an open mind, as long as what I'm presented makes sense. Do that, and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I'm going back to my eye rolling and laughing at you.

    Tempest

  • Tempest said...

    My point is, you provide absolutely zero proof that: You "knew" about the stock market drop. Are you now a millionaire? If not, why not? How did you know? Where did you get the knowledge? How were they able to manufacture a drop? Why then? What is it that you "know" about the FDA? How did you come to this conclusion?

    Most conspiracy theorists deal in the 2 extremes - extremely vague, or extremely specific. That way, should one of their many (many) predicitons come true, they can point to it and exclaim "You see! I knew it all along!". I always have an open mind, as long as what I'm presented makes sense. Do that, and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I'm going back to my eye rolling and laughing at you.

    Some of you guys amaze me. If someone said the sky was blue, it would be up for debate as to whether or not that was really true.

    How did I learn about the drop?

    I was working in the foreclosure industry. I got a call from a man who had found my website, he called to inquire as to the nature of my work. As he learned that I had a lot of "behind the scene" knowledge, he opened up to me about certain things and when he realized how much I really knew, he shared that bit of knowledge with me about the upcoming market collapse.

    He said that the wealthiest men in the world had gotten together and were betting 1 Trillion Dollars against the Stork Market, and it was due to occur within 90 days. About 88 days later, it happened. I shared this info with a number of people, no one cared, or believed it, so I finally quit trying to tell anyone. I don't play the Stock Market, nor had the funds to risk in case he was wrong, so I didn't take advantage of the information. In hindsight, I wish I had acted on it.

    The man actually sent me to a website that had the information on it. I found that site again about 6 or 8 months ago, it was still up. I was a bit surprised by that. I ran across it in my notes by mistake.

    Do I expect you to believe me....not hardly. I did tell my family, and my mother was the one person who said to me afterward, "you tried to tell us, didn't you?" If you'd like to talk with her for your own verification, I'll be happy to 3 way the phone call. I'll back up my words. I'm not one of the lying attention grabbers found so easily on this site...and frankly, I wish they would be booted, as they cause way too many problems and distrust.

    ................

    Regarding the FDA.
    They are supposed to protect us (do I really need to elaborate on that?). They don't. They protect big business. The evidence is right in front of your eyes, yet few people actually see what is happening right under their noses.

    Where is the evidence? Read any food label, or any label on your personal care products in your bathroom. We no longer eat food, we eat food like products, products that wreak havoc on our health. Our personal care products are full of toxic materials.

    Let me share just one bathroom product with you....

    Consider these ingredients for a moment....

    These are common ingredients found in shampoo:
    Quatemiun, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Parabens, PEG, Polysorbates.

    Ok, no big deal right, just common chemicals found in shampoo.

    Think again.

    What if I said the following ingredients were in your shampoo:
    Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), Industrial Antifreeze & Brake Fluid, Engine Degreaser, Car Wash Soap & Floor Cleaner, Potentially dangerous perservatives & emulsifiers, carcinogenic, endocrine disruptors.

    Would that bother you?
    Those are the ingredients from the first list, I just told you what they really are.

    What you put on your skin, scalp, hair, these things can be/are absorbed by your body. These things are toxic to you. Does that concern any of you? Doubtful. Some of you will refuse to believe it even if I can put you in touch with a person who can prove the facts to you. The reason you won't believe it is the same reason you won't believe 9/11, it doesn't matter whether it is true or not, you don't want to believe it, therefore you won't.

    BTW...those parabens from the ingredient list....they have been found in 94% of tested breast cancers. Parabens are in quite a number of products we use.

    And that....is only the tip of the iceberg.

    Did you know....that by 2050, it is expected that almost 100% of people will be diagnosed with cancer?

    I'll stop here. Let's see how many will say B/S. Guess what, a lot of people do. They won't do the research, they prefer to believe exactly what they want to believe.

    Now, consider Monsato (spelling?). GMO giant. Wow, if you don't know what is happening here, you are really out of touch.

    The FDA is supposed to protect us....yeah, right. Not hardly.
    MSG has many different names. This should NEVER be in our foods.
    Aspartame...should NEVER be in anything we consume.
    High Fructose Corn Syrup....do you believe that commercial that says "sugar is sugar, your body doesn't now the difference." Too bad for you if you do. You can't trust a simple statement that says I knew the market was going to drop, so if you trust that commercial, you certainly have misplaced trust issues.

    The list goes on and on. Read your labels, and then tell me the FDA protects us. I don't have to prove any of that, it is right in front of your eyes.

    BTW....cancer, heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, fibromyalgia, and a host of other diseases....preventable & reversible. You'll never hear this from the medical industry. They don't consider the cause, they give you a drug for the symptoms. I'll stop here for now though, this is a deep subject....but very worthy of discussion.

    Your turn, shall we keep going? Care to talk by phone? I'm open for it. Can you handle it? I doubt it. I expect that like the majority, you'll believe the lies they throw at us over and over that people believe because they want to have faith in the powers that be. Nothing unusual about that. It's just sad that people are too closed minded to open their eyes.

    Read a few labels and tell me what you're eating, or putting on your body. Few know what those chemicals really are.....hmmmm.....think about that for a moment. Realize that these toxins are causing the disease we are dealing with. Then ask yourself one very important question? Why is this going on? Let's talk. I'm not shy or afraid to discuss these issues. I spent two hours today explaining these exact issues to an attorney who was quite shocked, but then started to put the pieces of the puzzle together based on some other things recently learned.

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