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The people who wrote this document were just like the neocons of today. I have read that document and have done research on the individuals that authored it. In face I wrote a paper comparing them to present day neocons. The War Between the States and succession had an extremely long fuse which was ignited by The South Carolina Exposition and Protest by Calhoun in 1832. How bout you compare Calhoun, who in 1812 is referred to as a War Hawk to Lindsey Graham.Government in 1861 is just like government today, controlled by the people who have strong ecomomic power.You and I have no impact on government today and would have had no impact in 1861 either.
Ok but that doesn't change any of the facts - our state succeeded from the union with slavery as the major cause. And Thomas DeLorenzo is not an impartial historian. He's considered to be a neo-confederate wack job.
Btw, I agree with you on one thing - money, and those who have it control everything.
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RIGHT NOW is considered the best era in Gamecock sports history. Nothing was accomplished in the 100 years before the flag raised an eyebrow either way. We haven't sucked because of a flag.
Let me repeat what I said the other day. The only thing dumber than our state insisting on flying that flag is the NCAA and NAACP punishing our black coach and team of black players as a result.
Anyone who says that flag is somehow relevant in "our heritage", yet irrelevent to any issues today needs to turn off Fox News long enough to sniff the real world for a little while.
What is funny is that the people who say "it's our history", would NEVER fly that flag above an American Flag. You have to ask yourself, 'am I a South Carolinian, or am I an American?'. If you are a SC, then fly that flag above the American Flag, and really make a stand. SC has always been full of idiots, and the rest of the world mocks us for it.
The same people who want to fly the flag of what was a "nation" of people who attacked America through military force would have a complete fit if their neighbor flew an Iraqi flag, if someone else told them what exactly an Iraqi flag looked like. Yet, they are both nations our country was at war with, AND, the reasons our country was at war with the confederation were real, not fantasy.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.
While we are at it, mine as well take the monument down too (next argument). Yea? The flag is a talking/arguing point for some. Most don't care. Having that flag where it is located now doesn't make anyone in this state racist (next to the confederate monument). If you take it down, you won't change the people that are racist. You simply eliminate one talking point and it'll be on to the next one.
The undeniable fact is that thousands of South Carolinians died for that idea and I believe that some sort of remembrance of those individuals on the statehouse grounds is warranted. Just like for ww1 ww2 and Vietnam. The question is what will appease both sides, if anything.
Agree. I think we should take it down, but the morons in the NAACP make you not wanna take it down due to their ignorance and incompetence.
exhibition of the SC Syndrome. symptoms include doing things that hurt you, due to an increase in "chip on the shoulderism" also irrational tics & twitching at the sound of country music & an affinity for pbr
The flag is in a memorial. Are you opposed to the memorial too?
It's not a new memorial. It's not a new capital building. The flag hasn't been on either since it's creation. You and everyone else interested enough to argue about this knows this state ran the flag up the pole to give the rest of the country a big F you back in the 60s and now we still have some folks in power who aren't willing to put it in the past where it belongs.
Should the Germans fly a nazi flag for the millions of Germans who died fighting for their cause?
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I think you need to put on your big boy history pants.
Did you take any history course outside of public high school? Genocide vs slavery are two different things. Also most of those that died fighting for the south in the civil war owned no slaves. For them, it was more of the North's aggression towards their home state. People believed more in the state than the country back then. So yea, I think those people deserve our respect.
Also, you should visit Germany and report back to me about the monuments honoring those that died in ww2. They don't support nazism, just like I don't support slavery or racism. However, I respect those that gave their lives for this state and this country. Sorry that you disagree.
And just so I'm clear, I don't care about the flag or the monument or the statehouse grounds. I just think those that gave their lives should be memorialized in some way. You figure out a better way where nobody is offended, lets do that. Let me know what you all can come up with.
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Yep, since we're putting everything in history books, lets destroy all the monuments, gravesites and memorials for other wars. May have some german, japanese, vietnamese, korean, or native american that is a US citizen that is offended by those. We have books right?
It's real simple. Lee surrendered at Appomattox. They stacked arms and furled the flag. That was 150 years ago. When you lose, you don't get to fly your flag anymore.
Every other southern state honors their confederate dead with monuments, streets, and a memorial day. The NAACP has no issue with these states.
Two states insist on displaying the one single symbol of the CSA that offends people. And we happened to begin displaying it- not in 1865, not after reconstruction, not in the early part of the 20th century. We ran that baby up at the height of the civil rights movement.
So argue all you want about the cause of the war, the unfairness of the NCAA, or what the flag means to you personally, but make no mistake about the intent of the flag and how it got there. And since we're tied to the hip with Mississippi in every other category, I guess this isn't so hard to believe after all.
What should be done, is that the flag and monument be moved to the side of the capital and fenced off. That way it's there, but not right out in front. MPO.
You can't be this clueless. Can you?
No one is trying to erase history. If anything, most folks are asking history to be preserved in a museum.
We'd just like the Swastika, you know, the symbol of a defeated army fighting for a misguiding cause to be removed from our state's front yard 150 years after everyone else.
Why is the monument itself not a good enough memorial? It seemed to do the trick for 75 plus years. In fact, the DOC, actual people who knew soldiers in the CSA- why didn't it occur to them to put up the flag then? Good thing they had the guys in the 60's to "help" them.
And if you insist on having a flag. Why not the stars and bars? Wouldn't it make more sense to fly the flag of the actual country the fought for?
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