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You are saying he shouldn't be DQ'ed for all the wrong reason. When tiger made the drop he wasn't playing off the rule "as near as possible," otherwise he would've done that. He mistakenly thought he get drop anywhere along that same line as his original shot. Tiger was not DQ'ed for other reasons.
The wording as near as possible is worded like that for a reason and is not too vague. Every pro golfer understands what it means. It means when they drop the ball, they try to land it on the spot of their original shot. But since their arms are extended at shoulder height off the ground, it's possible the ball will land just beside the original divot or maybe the original shot didnt leave a divot and its impossible to tell exactly where that spot is. That's why they say as near as possible to avoid penalizing someone for landing just beside the spot or not knowing exactly where it is. Tiger understood that he didnt drop it as near as possible, he just wasn't playing on the rule because of a brain fart.
Well I can assure you that I don't have a stick up my jazz but right or wrong he did sign an incorrect scorecard and should have been sent home. The "TIGER" effect he has is the only reason he was not. Argue vague rules all you want to but in the end rules should count or do away with them. Good golfer though...just not good enough Sunday.
Well they followed the rule so I don't see why you are upset.
Maybe next year.
1) PEDs would definitely help a golfer
2) maybe Tiger did, who knows
3) we have players on our football team who dramatically increased muscle mass over a couple of years similar to what tiger did
4) tiger went into an extreme workout phase. Sometimes that is code for juice; sometimes it is an extreme workout; sometimes it is both.
5) tiger was a lot better than the field for many years. The field got better, he got hurt. He isn't as good as he used to be. Not sure why people have to wallow in bullshit psychiatry.
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No they didn't follow the rules. That Masters clown in charge of the rules out and out lied saying the first time he saw the video, Tiger's drop was legal.
So he couldn't tell the drop was at least 5 feet from the original divot. Yea that's accurate. Why didn't they talk toTiger before he signed his scorecard and ask him about the drop to see what he knew or didn't know. They wanted him on the leader board and they got what they wanted. The PGA tour has already DQ'd 3-5 guys in 2013 for signing a bad scorecard. The rules apply to everyone, including Tiger.
Just about everything you wrote is based on assumptions and not facts. Bring some facts to the table instead of some tin-foiled conspiracy.
Tiger could actually be pissed here because they went back after the fact and penalized him two strokes because he was honest in an interview. Any other golfer not interviewed would have gotten away with it. So they are technically holding Tiger to a higher standard. That is not fair.
Although I tend to disagree if he juiced or not for the reasons I stated, that's not why I said your post was ignorant. What's ignorant is being bulked up or not has had ZERO effect on winning majors or any tourney for that matter. It's between his ears that's been the difference. And I don't need to google damn pics when I've consistently seen him up close since '97.
We do have players who have gotten bigger.....between the age of 18-22, not between the age of 30-33. It's pretty naive to think this is a normal progression.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
Look up the rules. For the record, your opinion is worthless.
The Masters rules chairman said he reviewed the video and didn't see a problem with the drop.....fact.
If he had wanted to discuss the issue before Tiger signed his card, he could have.....fact.
He didn't question Tiger until after he said in the interview thaat he dropped about 2 yards beind the ball.....fact.
He signed a bad score card......fact.
Other PGA players this year have already been DQ'd from tournaments for signing an incorrect score card....fact.
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So to take your argument further, the rule they passed added in 2010 would therefore exonerate Tiger for the "brain fart" as you put it. And if you accept the premise, as the rules committee admitted they initially did, that he had NOT broken the rule then he should not have been penalized based on an interview he gave later. I believe the reason the committee felt there was no rule broken in the first place was that they too feel the rule is too vague as to where"near as possible" truly is. The only way to accomplish that would be to place the ball which is not allowed.
I think it is far from BS. I worked at Golds as a Trainer for about 2 years and you can easily spot someone who has been juicing. I agree with the OP that Tigers body changes have certainly met the criteria for someone juicing. Now with that said I really could careless either way but he certainly has been on something over the years.
The rule is not vague. Golf is an honorable game. Assuming a person understands the rules of golf, if a player drops the ball where he truly thought he hit it from, it's end of discussion. Doesn't matter if he's 2 feet or 10 yards from where he actually hit it. If he's being honest that is all that matters. But...
in Tiger's case he intentionally dropped it "not" near as possible. It is up to Tiger's playing partners to protect the field from dishonest/lack of understanding the rules of play, not television camera's, interviews and call-ins.
Carl Petterson moved a leaf in the hazard at Kiawah last year. He didn't see it nor did his playing partners, ergo no penalty. High speed cameras are a ridiculous way to govern the game. It is inconsistent with past play.
Technically a ball never comes to rest. Will they use cameras to prove that eventually? What to do then?
Concerning Tiger it should have been left up to him what to do. Simple as you made an illegal drop, should you play on? Let him do what he thinks is right. His peers will judge him appropriately.
The rule they passed recently protects players in this type of situation. So no, a rule was NOT broken. It is not Tiger's fault that the Masters did not address the issue before he signed his card, but waited until a TV interview and a call in from a viewer to review it.
For the record, your opinion about a conspiracy to keep Tiger in the Masters is also worthless.
By the way, the only people who seem to be upset are losers like David Duval and amateur players who don't live in reality.
His peers seem to be okay with it.
AUGUSTA, Ga. -- Tiger Woods still has a chance to win the Masters. Most of his fellow players seem OK with that.
Most golfers are this way. Angel Cabrera is ranked about 75th in the world. Yet he has played in the final pairing in the final round of the Masters for the last five years. Hmmmm, yeah most of the time it is about a course pairing well with a players game. They literally changed Augusta for one player, Tiger. They made it so he could not piss on people like he did from 1997 to 2005.
Are you aware there was no rough at Augusta before Tiger proofing? That they mowed half the fairway towards the green and half towards the tee box(now completely towards the tee box)? That new tees were built and the course lengthened by 500 yards?
All of this was done because of one man.
Elliott "Small" Fry
I'm not in the dq or not argument, and I didn't read the link, but I would ask what makes David Duval a loser? He's a major champion winner, former number on player in the world, and a guy who has battled major injuries for many years now. BTW...he's also one of Tigers best friends on tour and Tiger was instrumental in getting him with Nike.
You. Are. An. Idiot.
OK, and an illegal drop is not grounds for a DQ. Only a two shot penalty.
So you are wrong again.
Listen, I don't think he should have been DQ'ed. I'm just saying the rules committee didnt feel there was no rule broken because the rule is too vague. The rule isn't too vague. Tiger understands what dropping as near as possible and I explained in my last post why they use that wording. If you can't extend your arm at shoulder width a drop the ball on or very close to a divot than your motor skills and hand eye are good enough to play golf.
My whole point was the rule is fine, tiger was just confused on which rule to play on and was not even trying to drop as near the original shot as possible. He backed up two years because he felt it was a perfect number for him and he thought he was allowed to drop anywhere on that line of the original shot and the pin.
Wrong, he signed a scorecard with the approval of the Masters officials.
33-7 was put in place to stop DQing people for mistakes made by rules officials.
If anyone messed up in regards to the scorecard, it was the Masters Officials. Not Tiger.
The drop was his fault, hence why he got the two shot penalty.
I didnt want him DQ'ed. I'm explaining to the other guy that the rule "as near as possible," is a fine rule. Tiger was simply confused where to drop it, but not because of the wording of the rule.
Try reading the rule book moron. 33-7 exists for a reason.
Tiger brought athleticism and good health to the game. Saying it was roids is just dumb. He may have used. But he was getting big long before his 30s.
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