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Did Ted Nugent Threaten the President?

  • CockAtLaw said...

    I don't watch or listen to any of those people you mentioned, and in the one thread I was involved in regarding Spike Lee and the NBP, I was very clear that any statement or activity that incites violence is uncalled for and should not be tolerated. You and JohnHunt and others on this board probably disagree with every single thing I believe, but I do not think you will find one instance where I have encourage violent or overboard, non-reasonable political rhetoric.

    I don't even know who Thom Hartmann is so I don't really know what to say about that.

    The problem is not that the media is telling people who can and can't speak their mind. The people who hear the statements make that decision. Nobody is censoring these people at all; in fact, by the media giving them constant coverage and discussion, it is the exact opposite. People make choices as to what they listen to and what they don't, not the media (ignoring the obvious point that companies could always elect not to broadcast certain people, but they would do that for economic reasons, not because of some forced censorship).

    What I am saying is that the people who take the stage and inject themselves in the discussion and debate should feel some sense of responsibility to keep discussions civil and reasonable. People disagree, that is a good thing; people who name-call other people fascists, communists, socialists, nazis, varmints, etc are not helping the country at all. With great power comes great responsibility, at least that's what I've always heard.

    I know you are speaking in hyperbole to make a point There are many in the ‘Yard who probably disagree with you on everything you post. I have posted things you disagree with or find objectionable as well.

    Although I am honored to be listed among those you believe consistently disagree with you, I feel you are using far too broad a brush to paint me as always the antagonist.

    For example, a week ago you posted the following statement:

    …Anyone, including Lee and the Black Panther leaders, who publicly advocated for vigilante style justice, whether directly or indirectly, should be charged with the maximum criminal crime available. I don't know what that is under FL law, but those sorts of actions should not be tolerated in a society based on law and order. ….

    I know you don't read every comment on the board but I have written numerous posts regarding the antics of the black panthers, their leadership and their methods. I have historically been opposed to any actions taken in the name of vigilantism.

    Following your posting I responded with a supporting and concurring thought:
    Of course vigilantism is not the solution nor should it be an option.

    Several posts later someone suggests I am a coward for my stance. Anecdotally, I understand he too is an attorney.

    It was not particularly bothersome as this is just a message board - highly charge and opinionated at times and often comments, even negative ones, are provided sloely for the viewing enjoyment of the audiance.

    Unlike some I have the courage to defend those with whom I disagree as well as the integrity to admit when my position is wrong.

    I find the majority of your posts to be finely crafted and highly thought provoking - whether we disagree or not.

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    I know you are speaking in hyperbole to make a point There are many in the ‘Yard who probably disagree with you on everything you post. I have posted things you disagree with or find objectionable as well.

    Although I am honored to be listed among those you believe consistently disagree with you, I feel you are using far too broad a brush to paint me as always the antagonist.

    For example, a week ago you posted the following statement:

    …Anyone, including Lee and the Black Panther leaders, who publicly advocated for vigilante style justice, whether directly or indirectly, should be charged with the maximum criminal crime available. I don't know what that is under FL law, but those sorts of actions should not be tolerated in a society based on law and order. ….

    I know you don't read every comment on the board but I have written numerous posts regarding the antics of the black panthers, their leadership and their methods. I have historically been opposed to any actions taken in the name of vigilantism.

    Following your posting I responded with a supporting and concurring thought: Of course vigilantism is not the solution nor should it be an option.

    Several posts later someone suggests I am a coward for my stance. Anecdotally, I understand he too is an attorney.

    It was not particularly bothersome as this is just a message board - highly charge and opinionated at times and often comments, even negative ones, are provided sloely for the viewing enjoyment of the audiance.

    Unlike some I have the courage to defend those with whom I disagree as well as the integrity to admit when my position is wrong.

    I find the majority of your posts to be finely crafted and highly thought provoking - whether we disagree or not.

    I was not calling you out specifically in some derogatory manner, I just wanted maxcy to see he was not alone. Plus, it is easy to remember where you post because of your avatar.

    Edit: Also, I don't think you and I are always on opposite sides of the spectrum, just on the issues that are actually in mainstream controversy. For example, I think we can both agree that Baby Spice was the best of the Spice Girls at that time.

    This post was edited by CockAtLaw on 4/19/2012 at 12:18 PM

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  • maxcy124sc90 said...

    I think most Americans are sick of being told what they are allowed to say and not say.

    Who is telling Americans what they can and cannot say???

    This country has one of, if not the strongest free speech protections [and free speech traditions] in the world.

    Just because paranoid radio personality hate mongers say, don't make it so ..............

    Bom274

  • CockAtLaw said...

    I was not calling you out specifically in some derogatory manner, I just wanted maxcy to see he was not alone. Plus, it is easy to remember where you post because of your avatar.

    Edit: Also, I don't think you and I are always on opposite sides of the spectrum, just on the issues that are actually in mainstream controversy. For example, I think we can both agree that Baby Spice was the best of the Spice Girls at that time.

    I don't really know who Baby Spice is but that seems pretty funny to me. Not even John and I agree all the time...I'm sure he can tell you that(maybe 80%...just a guess) and you and I probably 20% but I do find it interesting listening to other opinions(the well thought out opinions excluding the namecalling, etc...which is just a waste of everyone's time) and hopefully learn something from time to time.

    maxcy124sc90

  • Bom274 said...

    Who is telling Americans what they can and cannot say???

    This country has one of, if not the strongest free speech protections [and free speech traditions] in the world.

    Just because paranoid radio personality hate mongers say, don't make it so ..............

    i too am puzzled about what it is people are being told they cannot say.

    i mean, its not like famous show hosts can call a law student a $lut and prostitute & ask for sex videos.

    gosh, i mean, its really stifling around here from the old first amendment standpoint. maybe this delusion ties into the paranoia held by such as nugent that somebody wants to take his guns or his bows and his arrows.

    in fact nobody gives a crap about his guns or his bows. he can hunt. he can rant. i can rant too. but at least the secret service aint coming to talk to me....but then, perhaps old ted can recommend some good whores. mabye even some 16 year old ones that are his second cousins

    at least the secret service & nugent have something in common,

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  • Bom274 said...

    Who is telling Americans what they can and cannot say???

    This country has one of, if not the strongest free speech protections [and free speech traditions] in the world.

    Just because paranoid radio personality hate mongers say, don't make it so ..............

    I agree. Off topic, but I also enjoy your posts over on Tigernet.

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 4/19/2012 at 2:45 PM

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  • Bom274 said...

    Who is telling Americans what they can and cannot say???

    This country has one of, if not the strongest free speech protections [and free speech traditions] in the world.

    Just because paranoid radio personality hate mongers say, don't make it so ..............

    Well, since you believe that, by all means please spell out the most nonpolitically correct term that you can think of and spell it out for us and we will all see how acceptable it is. I know for certain that I was referred to as both a "honkey" and a "redneck" very recently but these terms seem to be politically correct. Please use capital letters.

    Bom, I know you have enough sense not to do that but I hope you get the point. There's plenty you can't say...it may be legal to voice your opinion but you will spend a lot of time in the "soup line" if you do.

    Perhaps you should google Bill Cosby or perhaps John Rocker for some examples of things you can't say.

    (don't take this stuff personally because I don't mean for it to be)
    The point is that there a million double standards with reference to what you can and can't say...we all know this...and if you really don't then there is no way I can convince you.

    This post was edited by maxcy124sc90 on 4/19/2012 at 3:31 PM

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  • maxcy124sc90 said...

    Well, since you believe that, by all means please spell out the most nonpolitically correct term that you can think of and spell it out for us and we will all see how acceptable it is. I know for certain that I was referred to as both a "honkey" and a "redneck" very recently but these terms seem to be politically correct. Please use capital letters.

    Bom, I know you have enough sense not to do that but I hope you get the point. There's plenty you can't say...it may be legal to voice your opinion but you will spend a lot of time in the "soup line" if you do.

    Perhaps you should google Bill Cosby or perhaps John Rocker for some examples of things you can't say.

    (don't take this stuff personally because I don't mean for it to be) The point is that there a million double standards with reference to what you can and can't say...we all know this...and if you really don't then there is no way I can convince you.

    I'd say that you can thank the free market system for the double standards you refer too.

    The point being: that speech is very much free in this country; you can by and large say whatever you want to

    However, society collectively decides what speech we do and don't like - ergo boycotts on advertisers of excessively offensive, inflammatory, ugly speech, etc

    That "ugly speech" is still very much free; but so is the speech to say "f-you" back .....

    Regarding double standards: I take it you are basically saying that there is more sensitivity to anti-black, women, gay, etc [ie minorities] than there is to anti-majoritarian speech?

    First of all someone calling you a honkey doesn't mean that that kind of stuff isn't political incorrect. I don't think any public speaker [ie politician, tv pundit, etc] could get away with saying that stuff.

    So double standard? Not really. I'd grant you that the "honkey" type stuff doesn't get people as outraged as the other stuff. But then there may be a reason for that no? [ie white males haven't exactly been oppressed the last couple hundred years in America]

    Doesn't mean that people get a pass for saying it; just that societally speaking, its understandable that that kind of stuff doesn't hit the nerves like n-word type stuff does.

    And again; its not like public figures are running around talking about honkeys or rednecks. I think the double-standard stuff you are talking about is actually more symptomatic of this new wave of victim-playing from older conservative white folks who resent not having all the pie anymore.

    Not saying you personally are like that; just that that kind of stuff is out there, i.e.

    People complaining about government doing too much for people [while they use they Medicare, Social Security, etc etc]. Its not that they don't like govt working for the people; its that they don't like govt working for people who don't look like them.

    In fairness, I absolutely don't think that is the primary motivation for small-government folks [could be a small percentage; or subconscious, or in the case of many not all applicable] - but that motivation does still exist in varying degrees with the right.

    Roughly put.

    Bom274

  • joetheogre said...

    I agree. Off topic, but I also enjoy your posts over on Tigernet.

    Ha. Thanks!

    Those folks are batshit crazy

    Bom274

  • Bom, thanks for the response to my challenge. I can't say that I agree with everything you said but I like the fact that you're being honest and you obviously put some thought into it. Can't put a man down for that. Good post.

    maxcy124sc90

  • We are all free to say anything we want...Truth, Justice and the American Way. However with the freedom comes obligation.

    We all have an obligation to face the consequences for our free exercise of choice.

    Yell FIRE in a crowded theater - consequence possibel arrest
    Yell the N word in certain places - consequence possible ass whooping
    Yell the F bomb on national TV - consequence (if you're bob beckel) ???

    This post was edited by johnhunt on 4/19/2012 at 4:28 PM

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    Bob Beckel on Hannity Screams F*CK Live on...

    On Hannity's Show April 16, 2012, Crazy Leftist Democrat Bob Beckel Drops the F Bomb Big Time and Does Not Care to Apologize!!!!!! Hannity still lets this clown on his Show? It turns out that Bob claims he did not know they were on the air when he cursed, however he's still an uncontrollable animal and it makes Fox News and Hannity look pathetic for having him on regularly. One of the major reasons I almost never watch Fox News anymore.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/xt9Rbi5yh9o

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    We are all free to say anything we want...Truth, Justice and the American Way. However with the freedom comes obligation.

    We all have an obligation to face the consequences for our free exercise of choice.

    Yell FIRE in a crowded theater - consequence possibel arrest Yell the N word in certain places - consequence possible ass whooping Yell the F bomb on national TV - consequence (if you're bob beckel) ???

    ha thats awesome... i wonder if foxnews ever had him back on

    Bom274

  • maxcy124sc90 said...

    Bom, thanks for the response to my challenge. I can't say that I agree with everything you said but I like the fact that you're being honest and you obviously put some thought into it. Can't put a man down for that. Good post.

    thanks maxcy .. very much appreciate that

    Bom274

  • Nugent said if Obama was re-elected, "next November, I'll either be in jail or dead."

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  • speaking of delusional;

    heres the video of nugent

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/nra-scrubs-nugent-video-from-website-youtube.php?ref=fpblg

    amongst plenty of other hyper-vitriolic nonsense; the stuff he says about the supreme court not believing in the right to self-defense is beyond asinine

    what gets me is that people actually accept these horsecrap statements as being true

    suuure obama hates the constitution. so do the liberal supreme court justices. they just hate that damn infernal constitution. what with it giving rights to the people, ugh .. i mean we all know liberals hate rights!

    seriously. how do people believe this stuff?

    i gotta believe william f buckley would be rolling in his grave at the state of american "conservatism" these days .......

    Bom274

  • Bom274 said...

    ha thats awesome... i wonder if foxnews ever had him back on

    Bob Beckel is a democratic strategist who appears regularly on the fox show "The Five".

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    Bob Beckel is a democratic strategist who appears regularly on the fox show "The Five".

    He was on today I believe.

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  • Bom says..."i gotta believe william f buckley would be rolling in his grave at the state of american "conservatism" these days ......."

    Maybe a half roll...about what JFK what do concerning the state of Democratic Party...and even his own posterity

    maxcy124sc90

  • maxcy124sc90 said...

    Bom says..."i gotta believe william f buckley would be rolling in his grave at the state of american "conservatism" these days ......."

    Maybe a half roll...about what JFK what do concerning the state of Democratic Party...and even his own posterity

    jfk was no great liberal, fyi. he played the role he was destined to play. it was paid in advance. he did represent the democrats and talk about liberalism and all, but pretty much not a lot of difference between him and nixon

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  • Did he whip out his bow & arrow? It's a free for all...

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