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81 Alumnus said...
You don't know what you're talking about. The Democratic controlled congress and senate passed and Clinton signed an increase in the top marginal tax rates in 1993. The GOP roared it would be the end of the world. Revenues soared, although they cut the growth in spending too, and deficits plunged as soon as they went into effect.
That's real numbers,.as is the longest economic expansion in history.
Late in his second term, I think in 1998, Clinton signed a bill passed by the GOP controlled congress that lowered Reagan's capital gains tax increase as part of a negotiation to get other things, I think an increase in Reagan's Earned Income Tax Credit. Not sure that was it though.
Funny you want to pass a law telling politicians they can't lie and you just did.
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dodgerblue-42 said...
Les Français sont des grenouilles et mendier pour nous de les enregistrer à nouveau dans un proche avenir. À l'heure actuelle, ils obtiennent ce qu'ils méritent.
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maxcy124sc90 said...
Maybe, maybe not. If they follow through with the idea that the wealthy will be paying 75%(depends on loop holes, as well, like we had under Ike)...eventually, they will decline. You cannot punish success and thrive...it cannot happen. There is a reason why we are the wealthiest most powerful country in the world...and they are not.
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before departing via air france lets not forget a few salient points in re the french:
without the french we would still be kissing the ass of the queen of england. personally, i say thank you france. i know you went overboard and chopped off some heads, but truly, some surely deserved chopping. when to chop when to stop. ah, the questions of live
second, while mocked for their lack of military prowness, please consider their having been in the way of the germans, leading them to see entire generations of young men be buried in intractable trench warfare. the americans arrived late in the game and lost some men but in ww1 the french lost more than just flesh the war was on their turf and it was destroying to land as well as people. then the french got in the way of the germans again, who propagate well and kill people exceedingly well
shit, if the french could have just been located in asia somewhere they would be kick ass
now, some freedom fries and recall no france no freedom from odious oppression'
we were not odiously oppressed for that matter
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dodgerblue-42 said...
Obviously you can not read or comprehend because nothing I said is a lie. Maybe I should spell it out. Clinton did nothing good for our economy except sign a Republican bill that balanced the budget for a few seconds. Raising the top marginal tax rates was a mistake and did not increase revenues at all. You check the facts. The deficit did not decrease until the spending cuts went into effect.
Again, selective memory and the mantra of saying it enough makes it true. As I tell my students, read and comprehend for yourself, don't take any single person's word on anything, especially in politics.
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joetheogre said...
Our contribution to WWI in the grand scheme of the war was essentially zilch. In terms of casualties we represent only 1-2% of men killed. Yes, we contributed economically, but our allies had a handle on things. The French and Brits were doing quite well, our entering of the war only hastened the end.
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maxcy124sc90 said...
Alum81...jimeny crickets! Breathe in...breathe out(repeat) Let's try to have a reasonable debate without the liar stuff...I see some very false premises in your arguments but it doesn't necessarily make you a liar...blindly partisan maybe, but not a liar...I've been known to be stubborn myself It's nice to have lots of folks in these discussions...especially those who at least try to support their opinions...let's keep it civil so we can continue...just asking
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81 Alumnus said...
Dude, these are numbers. They write this stuff down and keep ledgers.
Example, when a guy insults me and says that Clinton's tax increase in 1993 didn't increase federal revenues at all, and the Congressional Budget Office, which I provided the links to, says they produced what was at the time the LARGEST one year increase in federal revenues in US history, that my friend is a lie. A whopper in fact.
As the late Pat Moynihan said, "you have the right to your own opinion, but you don't have the right to your own facts."
So take the etiquette lecture somewhere else. No mods have deleted any of my threads for personal insults.
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Didn't mean to lecture....next time I will keep my mouth shut...I didn't look into the #'s that you or Dutch posted....and it's not necessarily the facts that I disagree with(although the CBO is many time 'garbage-in...garbage-out' and can be easily manipulated) It's how we interpret those facts I suppose.
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81 Alumnus said...
... The only thing I've ever posted on this board that wasn't not factual was that the Canal Zone wasn't a legal entity in 1934. ...
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well there WAS the time you argued bush 2 didn't inherit a recession because the recession began two months after he took office.
also "wasn't not factual" = "was factual." just pointing that out because i quoted you saying it. I know what you meant and owning up to your mistake was very big boy of you should do some more of it
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Mahatma, as a man of the people I thought you would have a better understanding and appreciation of the renaissance attitude prevalent everywhere but at your house.
You are aware of the Reichsland Elsass-Lothringen territory once a French region ceded to Germany following the Franco Prussian war. It has a lengthy history of going back and forth between the two countries. French as well as German is spoken by most.
The same is true when you travel up through Luxemburg. There is a prevalent trilingual presence there. Many among our Barnyard military community may have (fond) memories of Reforger and making the trek there to secure a caravan of deuce and a half’s for the exercise.
As an art critic and aficionado, I'm sure you are aware Germany is known more for its architecture than its art. Oddly Hitler was quite the artist – he was somewhat of the Thomas Kinkade of his time.
Italy and France were much better known for their masters in the art world; even the Dutch had more world renowned artists. Monet?...not so much – I much prefer a Leroy Neiman or for grits and grins a nice Jackson Pollack.
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dodgerblue-42 said...
Your memory is selective. Clinton did not do anything. The Republican controlled House/Senate balanced the budget despite the Dems. Lowering income taxes always increases tax revenue, check history. The problem is that there are 536 elected officials in Washington who have never met a penny of other peoples' money that they did not spend,,,, plus some.
We should force a new law to be passed... elected officials cannot lie to the people (funny that you go to jail if you lie to Congress), then let's see how much political progress we make with all of their "secrets" out in the open on pork...
We are very close in age but my memories of the '60s/'70s/'80s/'90s have made me more conservative than I ever thought possible. Taxes are not the answer. smaller go'vt, lower taxes, job creation, and most importantly, personal responsibility are the answer.
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81 Alumnus said...
The official historical budget numbers from the non-partisan CBO are easily manipulated. Wow Newsflash, kid, Bill Clinton didn't run two wars off-budget like Dubya did.
Don't keep your mouth shut. Take a second and look things up for yourself and back up what you say.
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VBCock said...
Actually revenues decreased immediately after the bush tax cuts, which is one of the few times that has happened.
In expanding economies, such as the u.s. Has typically been, revenues generally increase regardless of rates. Typically rate changes do not outweigh expansion.
Mathematically, the idea that cutting taxes leads to more revenue is dubious and the evidence does not suggest that it is effective in practice.
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maxcy124sc90 said...
So the idea that if the gov. "allows" the private sector to keep more of it's own money...which will be spent and invested and spur more economic activity is mathematically dubious? Certainly there is a point of diminishing returns, however, I believe that point to be lower rather than higher.
Of course, regardless of where that point actually is, the government should be taking only what is absolutely needed...because it's not their money(which is contrary to the liberal mindset on this subject imo).Could/should the government perhaps consider trying to scrape by on maybe just a couple trillion a year? At times I really don't think we're asking the right questions.
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VBCock said...
That sounds nice and we all might like it better but the evidence doesn't seem to support the idea particularly.
When you talk about deficits you are talking about defense, health care and social security. All popular things that are mostly untouchable for all intents and purposes.
I do think age eligibility for social security and Medicare should be raised barring early medical disability. And we should scale back defense spending to the point where we are not ready to take on the entire world combined on two fronts. It is an imperial arrogance that we cannot afford. And we probably need to raise taxes as well.
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