The Barnyard

I talked personally to Steve so thank you. Yes I believe every public place should be handicap accessible that is not taking away anybodys civil liberties. Do you believe women should be allowed to vote do you believe they're still should be slavery? All men were created equally and endowed by our creator. It's called equality.

Then certainly you would regard Obama's ending of Don't Ask Don't Tell as a success in terms of expanding civil liberties?

I agree, but wouldn't you agree the principle of it was the right thing? Essentially the old policy was it isn't ok, but no one is going to talk about it so don't bring it up. Even if the military was tolerant before, I would rather things just be cut and dry.

DADT is moral issue and not a civil liberties issue if a gay man or lesbian in the military is not allowed to say if they are gay or not does not physically infringe on there lives.

This is a backwards attitude. Black people being disenfrachised in the 50s did not directly affect their lives, yet it was still their right to vote.

You went on a big rant about how everyone is created equally and is endowed be their creator. Does this somehow not apply to homosexuals because you personally take issue with it?

the sky is falling the sky is falling.

your earnestness is clear. your issues less so. this pol obama is no better or worse than any number of prior presidents.

pretending he is a radical perhaps makes you giddy but its tiresome

You know I have gay and lesbian friends and everyone of them tell me that the ACLU have really hurt their causes with the way they go about it. Also the San francisco crowds have hurt their causes to.

this president has increased the federal deficit more in three years than all the presidents before him. Name one thing that O'slama has done good for this country. He's a community leader who thinks the government is the solution to everything. It is NOT. Green energy is a good thing to pursue for the future along with fossil fuels. Ours and the worlds economy is based on fossil fuels. You just don't deny drilling rights on federal lands. Windmills will help as will solar panels but how do you run cars and factories when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow? Those to options can help in a very small way to begin with but natural gas is the best alternative and O'slama doesn't even have a plan for that. The EPA has just shut down plans for 30 coal power plants. Coal plants are cleaner than ever. The EPA worries about air quality in the US. Air quality is a global problems. If we put restraints on our businesses in order to clean the air over the US, then the dirty air from China and India will fill the atmosphere and eventually be over our country and the EPA will say our companies are polluting the air. It's not like real estate where someone can say this is our property from the earth to the heavens. The earth rotates and so does the atmosphere.
I'm tired of trying to explain things to people who are closed minded and mesmerized by the silver tongue liar.

So isn't it better to end this discrimination on paper? How would you feel in handicapped people technically weren't allowed to vote, but everyone kind of ignored it and let them do so anyway. Wouldn't you feel coming out and settling the issue would be best?

You're talking apples and oranges with your liberal , ain’t it wonderful, johnny come lately view of gays in the military and equating that with disenfranchisement of blacks. Your giving credit to the O-man with that change in policy is misplaced…it is more a reflection of “changes “ in societal acceptance and not on presidential leadership.

Sexual orientation is not a civil right or a civil liberty - there is no right to be openly gay - there is no right to be a man who wears women’s clothes - people will argue but there are choices with how someone dresses and who excites them in the shower. What you do in your home/bedroom is your business and not an issue for public scrutiny

Straw man situations comparing handicapped people being prohibited from voting to sexual proclivity discrimination is ludicrous and nonsensical.

Thirty years ago I was stationed at the Presidio in San Francisco - Don't ask, don't tell was not the prevailing policy then yet Gay soldiers "knew" to get themselves posted there.

Please don't take this the wrong way but I've read all of your posts and the problem is that you don't really understand the question. Obamacare is unconstitutional. The federal gov. has enumerated powers in the Constitution which are very specific.
It really is irrelevant who already pays what to whom, etc...Let's be clear...if the federal government can mandate that individuals must purchase products as declared by whoever is in charge, office, etc...at the time....THEN WE HAVE NO RIGHTS...GAME OVER. We will not survive as a society...as a free men and women...over time...we will not be free. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? The Constitution was written to LIMIT the powers of the government in insure INDIVIDUAL freedom...not individual healthcare, success, or enjoyment. When you give away your freedoms you must not think of the present...think 100, 200, 300 years ahead...WE MUST ALL DECIDE, SOON, WHAT IS OUR FREEDOM WORTH?

All I see is that a group of citizens that constituted about 10 million people are now allowed to openly served in the military when before they weren't. Before they did so in secrecy, causing either discomfort to the person who hid it or causing someone to not sign up altogether. Whether people on this board want will let themselves admit it or not, expanding the rights of people to serve is the definition of extending civil liberties.

I think your opinion on this is a very outdated mode of thinking about the issue. Most Americans now agree that there is right to be openly gay. I have a hard time understanding the level of disdain towards that group. This is America, let people be free. I am more offended by stupid people marrying and choosing to reproduce. Gay people should have the same rights I do.