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If South Carolina legalized casinos in Myrtle Beach

  • The tax revenue would probably be enough to send every qualified South Carolinian to college for free. Myrtle Beach and other areas along the coast could become an eastern Las Vegas.

    Its been almost ten years since we instituted the lottery and the moral fabric of South Carolina has yet to unravel. So why does the strong religious lobby in this state continue to be opposed to any sort of gambling? It seems like improving the quality of and expanding access to higher education would far outweigh the costs, if there are any, of legalization.

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 5/5/2012 at 5:18 PM

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    should legalize hookers and pot too tbh

    Definitely pot as well. Not sold on hookers but am willing to consider it.

    The government should not legislate morality except in extreme cases (child pornography, heroin, polygamy, incest, etc)

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  • Lottery is not nearly as addicting as a casino where the house advantage is so small.

    I gamble, but recognize the problems that will come for many "fools" if casinos are legalized.

    On the other hand, the boats have been going out of M :Beach for 10 years and the moral fabric hasn't unravled as you said earlier.

    Keeping gambling illegal protects the foolish. Of course, sports gambling is easy to partake in.

    Not sure if you are wrong or right with your opinion.

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  • Black Death7 said...

    Lottery is not nearly as addicting as a casino where the house advantage is so small.

    I gamble, but recognize the problems that will come for many "fools" if casinos are legalized.

    On the other hand, the boats have been going out of M :Beach for 10 years and the moral fabric hasn't unravled as you said earlier.

    Keeping gambling illegal protects the foolish. Of course, sports gambling is easy to partake in.

    Not sure if you are wrong or right with your opinion.

    I understand your points here. I have gambled in the past and enjoy betting. It can be a lot of fun if you realize the risks that come with it.

    I once had a statistics teacher who said "the lottery is a tax on those who don't understand statistics", I feel as if that is relevant because there are certainly some people who would make mistakes and for whom legalized gambling would be a bad. But I can't help thinking that a lot of good could come of this. Tourism would increase drastically, creating jobs in South Carolina and bringing a lot of dollars to the state. The state could also make a fortune in tax money that could be used to make college free. To me the additional tourism, more jobs, and a more educated population would vastly offset the effects by the people who would make mistakes and lose big.

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  • joetheogre said...

    The tax revenue would probably be enough to send every qualified South Carolinian to college for free. Myrtle Beach and other areas along the coast could become an eastern Las Vegas.

    Its been almost ten years since we instituted the lottery and the moral fabric of South Carolina has yet to unravel. So why does the strong religious lobby in this state continue to be opposed to any sort of gambling? It seems like improving the quality of and expanding access to higher education would far outweigh the costs, if there are any, of legalization.

    Definitely pot as well. Not sold on hookers but am willing to consider it.

    The government should not legislate morality except in extreme cases (child pornography, heroin, polygamy, incest, etc)

    As you know, I'm retired and have very little free time do to any meaningful research on this subject as I'm heavily involved with my full time charity organization - my kids and grandkids.

    On the other hand, you are a student and you have the spare time to research - does the taxes raised from casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas pay totally for their higher educational needs?

    I think our "moral fabric" lies somewhere between 'Leather and Lace' and the chance of it unraveling depends on which you wrap yourself.

    Gambling too falls within extremes - anywhere from the James Bond persona at the baccarat table in Monte Carlo to the 5 dollar super bowl office pool all of which I suspect is frowned upon by the lace wearing religious moral majority.

    One of their arguments against video poker machines, the lottery and casinos was “poor” people spending the rent and food money on the devil’s handiwork and the government having to provide assistance to their families.

    I’ve got no problem with the practice – as long as there is personal responsibility – You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em , know when to fold ‘em, know when to walk away ….

    During my early adult years in St. Pete/Tampa I was known to put two bucks down on the greyhounds and I still enjoy a church social spaghetti dinner followed by a few hours of Bingo.

    As for legalizing prostitution … how else is a homely guy supposed to get laid?

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  • the fact that, in columbia sc you have had three dead folks of fair prominence, all apparenty related to gambling. the hospitalty director offed himself in part due to the ladies half a million addiction to on line gambling. and the recent double killings supposedly between a bookie and client gambler....it is clear a whole lot of gambling is going on. lots of folks seem to proft by it

    legalize it. also legalize pot and cocaine. then we could shut down half our prisons and stop the war on drugs in honduras columbia and elsewhere. we are spending so much money fighting a lost war.

    our society is riddled with crime. most of it could be erased. free the people

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  • joetheogre said...

    I understand your points here. I have gambled in the past and enjoy betting. It can be a lot of fun if you realize the risks that come with it.

    I once had a statistics teacher who said "the lottery is a tax on those who don't understand statistics", I feel as if that is relevant because there are certainly some people who would make mistakes and for whom legalized gambling would be a bad. But I can't help thinking that a lot of good could come of this. Tourism would increase drastically, creating jobs in South Carolina and bringing a lot of dollars to the state. The state could also make a fortune in tax money that could be used to make college free. To me the additional tourism, more jobs, and a more educated population would vastly offset the effects by the people who would make mistakes and lose big.

    I've heard the lottery called an idiot tax...and it is.

    I don't think the religious section is keeping casinos illegal, however. I'm a Christian and play poker every week as well as a casino trip every few weeks.

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  • mpcoan said...

    I've heard the lottery called an idiot tax...and it is.

    I don't think the religious section is keeping casinos illegal, however. I'm a Christian and play poker every week as well as a casino trip every few weeks.

    Welll who is pushing to keep it illegal, and why?

    ABCFlag, is right, easy to gamble around here (sports, that is) and plenty of people are profiting from it-the house/bookmakers.

    The pot issue catches my interest. It is hard for me to believe it is anymore dangerous to a person's health than cancer sticks and alcohol, but I have done very little research on the issue.

    Pot can be grown in your backyard, right? Pot can be used to treat pain and other health problems, right? Do pharmaceutical companies want the public have such easy access to pain drugs? Do pharmaceutical companies contribute to campaign funds for politicians? Anything I'm off based with in these four questions?

    ANd btw, I've never rolled one with Sammy in my life. Not that I think it's such a bad thing to do, but just because I've always believed that "white lightning is still the biggest thrill of all."

    Sorry to hijack and good thread on gambling benefits/problems. Blame ABCflag, he brought Sammyweed up first.

    This post was edited by Black Death7 on 5/6/2012 at 9:29 AM

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  • johnhunt said...

    As you know, I'm retired and have very little free time do to any meaningful research on this subject as I'm heavily involved with my full time charity organization - my kids and grandkids.

    On the other hand, you are a student and you have the spare time to research - does the taxes raised from casinos in Atlantic City and Las Vegas pay totally for their higher educational needs?

    I think our "moral fabric" lies somewhere between 'Leather and Lace' and the chance of it unraveling depends on which you wrap yourself.

    Gambling too falls within extremes - anywhere from the James Bond persona at the baccarat table in Monte Carlo to the 5 dollar super bowl office pool all of which I suspect is frowned upon by the lace wearing religious moral majority.

    One of their arguments against video poker machines, the lottery and casinos was “poor” people spending the rent and food money on the devil’s handiwork and the government having to provide assistance to their families.

    I’ve got no problem with the practice – as long as there is personal responsibility – You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em , know when to fold ‘em, know when to walk away ….

    During my early adult years in St. Pete/Tampa I was known to put two bucks down on the greyhounds and I still enjoy a church social spaghetti dinner followed by a few hours of Bingo.

    As for legalizing prostitution … how else is a homely guy supposed to get laid?

    To date the education lottery has given out 2.1 billion dollars in funding the various Life, Palmetto Fellows, and Hope scholarships. Over ten years, this comes out to roughly 210 million a year.

    This article suggests that even a moderate plan to legalize gambling would bring half a billion dollars in increased revenue and 40,000 jobs to the state.

    I am no tax expert but it seems that between the increased tourism revenue and the taxes directly on casinos, the state would be able to raise enough to double the 210 million dollar commitment to scholarships. This would mean Life would be worth 10,000 and Palmetto Fellows 13,400-15,000 per year, essentially amounting to free tuition and then some for every qualifying student in the state. This is important because I know many people that I went to high school with that were either forced to go to a year or two of tech or had to forgo college entirely because they still could not afford it.

    A well educated public is essential to a healthy state, and in my opinion would more than offset the cost in some peoples mistakes.

    House Members Push for Legalized Gambling | wltx.com

    http://www.wltx.com/news/national/article/128139/2/House-Members-Push-for-Legalized-Gambling

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  • Don't know about scholarships, but something has to be done about tuition at USC, Cu, and other public Universities.

    I am getting ready to begin to pay for graduate courses, and the price for Carolina is over 2 times more than North Carolina Public colleges (well, more than East Carolina and UNCC, which arethe only ones I looked at). That is unbelievable.

    Roughly 16,000 for a Graduate degree here in SC (1300 x 12) compared to 7000 for a degree if I were living in North Carolina and attending college.

    Terrible.

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  • Black Death7 said...

    Don't know about scholarships, but something has to be done about tuition at USC, Cu, and other public Universities.

    I am getting ready to begin to pay for graduate courses, and the price for Carolina is over 2 times more than North Carolina Public colleges (well, more than East Carolina and UNCC, which arethe only ones I looked at). That is unbelievable.

    Roughly 16,000 for a Graduate degree here in SC (1300 x 12) compared to 7000 for a degree if I were living in North Carolina and attending college.

    Terrible.

    NC has more public support for higher education. SC has used the lottery as an excuse (in connection with budget shortfalls) to slash higher education funding.

    The result is higher tuition.

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  • Yes, I've read that quite often.

    Regardless of the reason, it is pathetic we have to pay double for an education (Masters) than our neighbors to the north. I have no idea about Georgia.

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  • Black Death7 said...

    Yes, I've read that quite often.

    Regardless of the reason, it is pathetic we have to pay double for an education (Masters) than our neighbors to the north. I have no idea about Georgia.

    MBA programs in Ga (at least the ATL metro area) are as follows:

    Emory: ~$90k
    GT: ~$45k
    UGA: ~$40k
    Ga State: ~$35k
    Kennesaw St: ~$14k

    So $16k at USC doesn't really sound that bad.
    And I'd be willing to bet that a masters from UNC is not cheaper than $16k. I don't think comparing programs at ECU and UNCC is an apples to apples comparison with USC, but I could be wrong.

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  • mpcoan said...

    I've heard the lottery called an idiot tax...and it is.

    I don't think the religious section is keeping casinos illegal, however. I'm a Christian and play poker every week as well as a casino trip every few weeks.

    It might be an idiot tax, but in Georgia it sends tens of thousands of kids to college for free.

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  • I'm on the fence on Dirty Myrtle becoming Atlantic City of the south.

    On one hand, yes, it creates a TON of jobs, tourism and tax revenue. On the other, we own property nearby and it's already tough to find some beach to really relax on.

    I'd lean a little more towards the increase in revenue going to higher pay for our educators in 5k-12 before it pays for college.

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  • you want gambling legalized? BJs are still illegal there, no?

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  • CockyTailgater said...

    MBA programs in Ga (at least the ATL metro area) are as follows:

    Emory: ~$90k
    GT: ~$45k
    UGA: ~$40k
    Ga State: ~$35k
    Kennesaw St: ~$14k

    So $16k at USC doesn't really sound that bad.
    And I'd be willing to bet that a masters from UNC is not cheaper than $16k. I don't think comparing programs at ECU and UNCC is an apples to apples comparison with USC, but I could be wrong.

    Sc does look like a winner compared to ga. Probably true on the ecu to usc comparison. Curips to unc c hill tuition costs.

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  • Black Death7 said...

    Sc does look like a winner compared to ga. Probably true on the ecu to usc comparison. Curips to unc c hill tuition costs.

    I am looking at several different grad schools as well, although not for an MBA. The process is quite overwhelming at times. I actually take my GRE's Wednesday.

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