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OT: Tankless water heater

  • 2112 said...

    CockyMike, you do some nice work sir.

    Thanks.... I enjoy what I do. Oh, and I gave you a thumbs up for that compliment. LOL

    About the tankless water heater, I got one last comment you may want to consider. How many times do you change the element in your current heater and how much does it cost? That's a never ending thing for some folks.

    If you are thinking about changing over to a tankless, save up, plan it, do it. If you wait until your current conventional tank fails or breaks and floods your house, it's gonna be more of a hassle than a PLANNED change over. If you wake up tomorrow morning with no hot water, how long is it gonna take for you to research the unit you need.... call the gas company or electrician.... order or buy the unit.... find a contractor, or take bids and finally get it all put together....?? One day, probably not. Two days? Three?

    Call your utility company and see what they offer and do your homework. It's worth it in the long run.

      CockyMike1

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    • CockyMike1 said...

      If you've got galvanized pipes in the house, then nothing really changes with the addition of a tankless. If the galvanized pipes work now, they'll work with the new system. The biggest problem with galvanized pipes is the corrosion that occurs inside the pipes that deminishes the water flow. Plus, when you cut them, you have to flush out the system and get all the loosened rust and gook out of the pipes. If you do this, take the shower heads and strainers off of the faucets. If you don't you'll clog them up to the point of having NO water.

      In case any of you are wondering how much it would cost for the whole thing, turn-key. I'm usually doing it as part of a kitchen remodel. The unit I posted earlier costs me about $820 shipped to my door, plus electrical wire (which could be a couple hundred depending on the panel) labor and disposal of old water heater. I factor in $1,500 to the project.

      You are dead on again sir...recently I had diminished waterflow in my sink in the master bath as well as no hot water for a day only in the sink. When I checked the filter under the faucet it was full of old metal rust particles that impeded the water flow and did not allow the register of enough significant water flow to heat the water to that spigot. I cleaned it out and everything was back to normal right away. I replaced all the faucets and shower heads when I had the tankless installed but probably need to check them all again while still with the galvanized. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this!rockon

      This post was edited by Knot Hole Cock on 2/20/2012 at 10:20 PM

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      • Knot Hole Cock said...

        You are dead on again sir..

        You are more than welcome to say that as many times as you wish.... LOL

          CockyMike1

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        • CockyMike1 said...

          Actually... this is true but only if it's a new construction install. It's almost always going to be installed where the existing water heater is located.

          WHY? Becuase your existing piping is sized and designed, probably with step down sizing to the layout of the house. Moving the tankless to a new location could mean that you are trying to tie a 1/2" line that will eventually become a 3/4" line somewhere else in the house. Not good.

          Is Greenville in your operational territory? TIA.

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          • The real benefit is not ever running out of hot water, the problem especially if you have teenagers, is that people tend to take much longer showers b/c it won't ever get cold.

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            • man all of that is easy especially the gas. when you hook it up, take a mapp gas torch and check the gas lines for leaks. if you have a leak it will burn. no need to pay someone when you can do it yourself. J/K hire someone. but that is the way i check for leaks. crazy huh. not really gas beyond the regulator doesn't have that much pressure on it. NOTE THAT IS NATURAL GAS NOT LP

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              • 2nd worst mistake I have made at my house. I absolutely hate it and have even thought about going back to a tank system. On every location it takes a long time (I mean long time) for the water to get hot. Then it does not stay at a constant temperature. We had gas company come out and do an assessment and they said nothing else we can do. I would never advise going in that direction.

                  bubbadude

                • bubbadude said...

                  2nd worst mistake I have made at my house. I absolutely hate it and have even thought about going back to a tank system. On every location it takes a long time (I mean long time) for the water to get hot. Then it does not stay at a constant temperature. We had gas company come out and do an assessment and they said nothing else we can do. I would never advise going in that direction.

                  This is basically the exact samething my friend said. What brand did you buy?

                    DT USC

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                    • suffoletta said...

                      The real benefit is not ever running out of hot water, the problem especially if you have teenagers, is that people tend to take much longer showers b/c it won't ever get cold.

                      Got a buddy who said the exact same thing. So he started turning the thing off after a certain amount of time when his teenagers were in the shower. Funny.

                      By the way, this thread has been great. I've been considering one since we moved last April. Already had to replace an element in the current tank. I thought about doing it then but had other projects going on so I held off. Will probably do one in the next 12 months. We have three children and one on the way so it will come in handy and pay for itself. So who do I call in Columbia?

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                            • Not an expert by any means, but we had a Rinai at our last house. The system is gas, but the ignition was electric, so if the power went out we had no hot water. Also, make sure you do the annual maintenance. Ours went a little haywire after about 14 months, but they came out to check it and run diagnostics and it worked fine after that.

                                PalmettoLaw

                              • DT USC said...

                                The water heater that came in house just stopped working. It was old when I bought the house a few years ago, so I have been waiting. I told myself when it went out I was going to put a gas tankless system in, but after talking with a friend that has one I am unsure. He says that his is not nearly as nice as he had hoped and didn't think it was worth the money. He also said that he can not really tell a big difference on his power bill. I have several new water heaters I can use if I didn't want to spend the extra on a tankless system. Anyone else have a tankless one and have an opinion if it's worth the money? Thanks.

                                Used to work in the Propane business and these were 80% of the water heaters we iinstalled. 95% of our customers loved them.
                                We installed the Rinnai, which had very good reviews on.
                                I am getting ready to make the change from electric to natural gas with a Rinnai at my house.
                                SCE&G can help you too. They have a sister company that will actually do the installation and walk you thru the process.
                                As someone mentioned, there used to be tax credits and credits from SCE&G. Not sure what they are now.

                                  BigBird24

                                • PalmettoLaw said...

                                  The system is gas, but the ignition was electric, so if the power went out we had no hot water.

                                  That would be a deal breaker for me. Too many power outages in my area to not have hot water when the power is out.

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                                  • KamaCocksy said...

                                    That would be a deal breaker for me. Too many power outages in my area to not have hot water when the power is out.

                                    Get a natural gas generator.

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                                    • Joseph Baker said...

                                      Get a natural gas generator.

                                      Or you can get a battery back-up for the tankless heater. Only $100 or so.

                                        CockyToad

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                                      • CockyToad said...

                                        Or you can get a battery back-up for the tankless heater. Only $100 or so.

                                        This is the way to go

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                                          • bubbadude said...

                                            2nd worst mistake I have made at my house. I absolutely hate it and have even thought about going back to a tank system. On every location it takes a long time (I mean long time) for the water to get hot. Then it does not stay at a constant temperature. We had gas company come out and do an assessment and they said nothing else we can do. I would never advise going in that direction.

                                            Obviously, I don't know your situation, but I'm willing to bet you a beer that your unit is undersized for your needs.

                                              CockyMike1

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                                            • KamaCocksy said...

                                              That would be a deal breaker for me. Too many power outages in my area to not have hot water when the power is out.

                                              Well KamaCocksy.... I got to say this... I'm 51 years old and only one time in my life can I remember needing to take a shower while the power was out and that was the big ice storm in the mid '70's.

                                              If the power goes out and you have an electric water heater, you're only gonna have water for about 8 to 12 hours anyway. Again, the ice strom and Hurricane Hugo are the only two times I can remember being out for an extended period of time.

                                              Your arguement would not deter me from installing a gas or electric unit.

                                              This post was edited by CockyMike1 on 2/21/2012 at 1:24 PM

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                                              • suffoletta said...

                                                The real benefit is not ever running out of hot water, the problem especially if you have teenagers, is that people tend to take much longer showers b/c it won't ever get cold.

                                                LMAO... must be a boy...

                                                I remember my wife once saying (agitated) when our son was about 13 or 14..... "What is he doing in there so long. He needs to get finished and get out."

                                                I looked at her and gave her that tilted head, over the top of my glasses look and said.... "what do you think he's doing in there?" (evil grin)

                                                She freaked out... REALLY freaked out.... "You shut up. No he's not. Not my baby."

                                                Yea right.

                                                  CockyMike1

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                                                • I do plumbing in the Columbia area. We will install 3 tankless water heaters this week. 2 internals, installed in an underground root cellar and vented to the outside, and 1 external. Most of our installations are for remodeling or new construction. We quote a lot of replacements but rarely do one. If you already have gas, you have to verify the size of the line furnishing gas to meet the btus of the heater. Any good brand of tankless water heater will also require electricity to run the unit and keep it from freezing in the winter. I know someone that had a contractor buy 8 units for some houses he was selling. He paid less than $600.00 for each and the heat exchangers froze and busted. He ended up eating $6000.00. If you have gas, SC&G estimates you will save $60.00 a year. I f you have an electric heater the savings will be much greater but so will the installation cost.

                                                  In truth, the only way I would consider a tankless heater is for endless hot water. Some drawbacks exist for this as well. Tankless water heaters have a flow control in them. This is to allow for the same temperature water reguardless of the the incoming temperature. A 9.4 gallon water heater would provide this amount of hot water at a 30 degree rise. If the incoming water temperature is 40 degrees the flow control would slow the movement of the water to maybe 2 to 3 gallons of water a minute. Thus, not endless hot water. The flow control also has a minimum, Rinnai, 1.2 gallons per minute. If you turn your water on very slowly, the heater may not turn itself on. We just had a service call for this.

                                                  Discuss thiese with a wholesaler or a plumber not a home service center for all the facts about a tankless heater.
                                                  Only about 50 percent of the people we have installed tankless heaters for are totally satisfied. Most say I thought I would save more money.

                                                    RWHall

                                                  • CockyMike1 said...

                                                    Obviously, I don't know your situation, but I'm willing to bet you a beer that your unit is undersized for your needs.

                                                    that's what "she" said.

                                                      " some people call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade, uh, ummmm."

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