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Offensive Jeremy Lin comments?

  • It is amazing that people don't know how to use a dictionary. Please look these words up ie chink and oriental. And for the guy who says im not a rug. No but no matter what ethnicity he is he has no clue what he's talking about. Please use a dictionary before opening mouths.

    Knockoutsimpson

  • cocky4now said...

    I do not intentionally try to offend people..but I do not worry about every possible way something I say can be interpreted as such. I am not interested in coddling over-sensitive types...If that makes me racist, redneck, cracker, a-holes or whatever...fine by me. I would rather be those than a part of the this hysteria about possibly offending someone. For the reasonable among us....all it takes is to try not to offend..and try not to be offended. For the unreasonable...I could care less what crap they are involved with or think.

    "...possibly offending someone..."? Chink? Really?

    This post was edited by MrBigAl on 2/20/2012 at 4:41 AM

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  • "Having whites theorize about racial issues is as productive as having Muslims theorize about antisemitism. While the input is valid and valuable, it must be weighed with the fact that it is not experiential knowledge and may only be inane banter."

    Rev. Dr. pleasework

    "If you do this to the least of them, you do it to me"

    Jesus Christ
    when you offend Christians you offend Christ, whether you mean to or not. If you plan on your faith in the redemptive blood of Jesus for your salvation, you need to heed the words of your master. If you don't believe in all that and you are hoping that being a good person is good enough, you are screwed because someone so callous towards hurting others is not a good person. Can I get a witness?

    This post was edited by pleasework on 2/20/2012 at 9:28 AM

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  • cocky4now said...

    I do not intentionally try to offend people..but I do not worry about every possible way something I say can be interpreted as such. I am not interested in coddling over-sensitive types...If that makes me racist, redneck, cracker, a-holes or whatever...fine by me. I would rather be those than a part of the this hysteria about possibly offending someone. For the reasonable among us....all it takes is to try not to offend..and try not to be offended. For the unreasonable...I could care less what crap they are involved with or think.

    I know you are just trying to get people riled up. I do that sometimes. Let's move this to the barnyard so we can really play around with people's feelings!

    pleasework

  • Man you are good! I guess if I move to Africa I will be an American African. Don't jump my ass people, not serious.

    pianodavid

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  • lvf86 said...

    society has changed!!! you can't fart the wrong way anymore without someone getting offended...

    sign of the times.. I won't bite my tongue the world is black and white to me there is no in between..

    Good for you!

    BigDave

  • 22Cock said...

    Due to gender equity issues, the Board of Directors of Furman University voted to change its name to Furperson University.

    Lol...As dumb as that sounds it's really sad that it could be an issue one day. The world we live in now is really screwed up. Thank you ALCU

    AKC18599

  • Is it wrong that this thread made me kinda hungry?

    Lexington_USC

  • Delicious Tacos said...

    When was it better?

    When dumb assess didn't turn innocent cliches like chink in the armor into something racial just because the person was Asian. I agree the term chink is a racial slur when used by itself but when used in a cliche that has been around for years and has absolutely nothing to do with an Asian is stupid and is grasping at straws to cause a ridiculous controversy. The meaning of chink in that cliche is a crack or nick or weakness in the armor and should be taken in that context. There is no way anyone can make me believe there is anything racially motivated behind that comment.

    AKC18599

  • AKC# said...

    The meaning of chink in that cliche is a crack or nick or weakness in the armor and should be taken in that context. There is no way anyone can make me believe there is anything racially motivated behind that comment.

    Funny that you mention context. What about the context of an Asian player being featured?

    #willfullignorance

    Bom274

  • Guys, if you really think our country is racist, you should visit another country, particularly one in Europe or in the Middle East. Our racism couldn't hold a candle to there's. Just sayin'.

    Lexington_USC

  • Delicious Tacos said...

    Particularly when his race has already been made into a public issue. These people are classic racists.

    I pity the fool that tells an actor or anyone that is wished good luck before their performance with the cliche "break a leg" Can you imagine the law suit or ramifications of such a vicious statement if they actually broke their leg. Obviously the person using that cliche wanted the person to break their leg and should be called out for it.

    AKC18599

  • I'm sure the moderators of this board don't want this to continue so this will be my last comment. As a paraplegic I would not take offense to someone wishing me luck with a cliche. When you go into an establishment where you have to wait to be called upon what do they tell you when you first get there? Normally they tell you to go have a seat and we will call you. Guess what? They tell me the same thing. Should I be offended that they are telling me to have a seat when I'm already seated and can't walk. Are they making fun of me? No because it's just a generic statement that has nothing to do with me and it's such a common phrase that is used so often and shouldn't have to be changed to satisfy me just because I can't walk. There is no malice behind it just like there was no malice toward Lin. It was a statement that was blown way out of proportion because that cliche had the word chink in it and he was Asian. To use another cliche it was making a mound out of a molehill.

    AKC18599

  • AKC# said...

    I'm sure the moderators of this board don't want this to continue so this will be my last comment. As a paraplegic I would not take offense to someone wishing me luck with a cliche. When you go into an establishment where you have to wait to be called upon what do they tell you when you first get there? Normally they tell you to go have a seat and we will call you. Guess what? They tell me the same thing. Should I be offended that they are telling me to have a seat when I'm already seated and can't walk. Are they making fun of me? No because it's just a generic statement that has nothing to do with me and it's such a common phrase that is used so often and shouldn't have to be changed to satisfy me just because I can't walk. There is no malice behind it just like there was no malice toward Lin. It was a statement that was blown way out of proportion because that cliche had the word chink in it and he was Asian. To use another cliche it was making a mound out of a molehill.

    There may have been no malice towards Lin, but the term "chink" has been offensive to the Chinese for over a century. I don't see how anyone can defend that headline.

    I understand that "chink in the armor" is a popular phrase with no racial overtones whatsoever, but the writers of the headline were CLEARLY trying to achieve a double entendre, referencing the phrase and the alternative, racist meaning of "chink" by using the phrase in this context.

    This post was edited by EarthyTechnoPop on 2/20/2012 at 10:54 AM

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  • pianodavid said...

    Man you are good! I guess if I move to Africa I will be an American African. Don't jump my ass people, not serious.

    I've always wondered......if a white man from South Africa moved to the United States, would he not be an African-American?

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    I love gamecock nation, but we seriously have some racist A-holes among us.

    We also have some idiots.

    For the purpose of this argument, I will use the term "Oriental"....not for the purpose of offending anyone, but within the context as referenced in this thread.

    Logic 101

    All Orientals are Asian
    Some Asians are Oriental

    Based on the two previous statements, there is no reasonable way to conclude that

    Asian ALWAYS = Oriental

    We need to pick a route and run with it. Which factor will we use when determining how to describe a person's ethnicity?

    Skin Color
    Country of Origin
    Continent of Origin
    General Region of Origin

    Pick one, and let's apply it across the board. Or even better, let's just drop the labels all together and be people.

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  • tbooth23 said...

    I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but my brother-in-law is 1/2 Korean and he will tell you just how wrong you are to call him or anyone in his family "oriental." He says "oriental" describes rugs, not people.

    Lived in Asia for several years along with other places, and have never in my life heard anyone ever use the term Oriental to describe a person. They are Asians. And sure - technically Asian describes numerous people who folks normally wouldn't think of as Asian (since they live on the continent of Asia), just like American technically describes a lot of people folks wouldn't think of as American (since they live in NA and SA).

    When you say American, people outside of the US (especially Asians) take that to mean you are from the US. Almost everyone in Asia would call me an American since I was from the US. When you say Asian, it means you're from China, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam. It has more to do with the way people look (and the stereotypes associated with that) versus geographically where they are from. For example i've never heard anyone from Mexico called an American, just like you rarely hear someone from India, Philippines, etc called Asians...because they don't "look" like the associations people have created in their minds for Americans and Asians.

    But then again most people just call them Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Filipino, etc anyway.

    As for the Lin thing - I heard the clip and saw the headline and think it was just a really stupid mistake. The person/people were suspended for 30 days, Lin said he didn't care, and now everyone should move on. I don't think anyone was intentionally trying to be offensive, as chink is certainly offensive if used intentionally...they were just being stupid and then corrected it.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MCC on 2/20/2012 at 11:40 AM

    MCC

  • MCC said...

    Lived in Asia for several years along with other places, and have never in my life heard anyone ever use the term Oriental to describe a person. They are Asians. And sure - technically Asian describes numerous people who folks normally wouldn't think of as Asian (since they live on the continent of Asia), just like American technically describes a lot of people folks wouldn't think of as American (since they live in NA and SA).

    When you say American, people outside of the US (especially Asians) take that to mean you are from the US. When you say Asian, it means you're from China, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam. It has more to do with the way people look (and the stereotypes associated with that) versus geographically where they are from. For example i've never heard anyone from Mexico called an American, just like you rarely hear someone from India, Philippines, etc called Asians...because they don't "look" like the associations people have created in their minds for Americans and Asians.

    But then again most people just call them Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Filipino, etc anyway.

    This is nothing more than just a footnote to what you wrote, but my roommate my freshman year at Carolina was Filipino ... the way he explained it to me, either Filipino or Asian was considered perfectly fine as far as he was concerned.

    EarthyTechnoPop

  • BigBlairCock said...

    I've always wondered......if a white man from South Africa moved to the United States, would he not be an African-American?

    how about we resurrect "anglo-saxon" for such people. when i was a kind anglo saxon was our self characterization in schools on the radio & tv show. now we have let the saxon lapse as it entails scary germanic tribes run amok, so we are anglos....well, now we are multicultural.

    i love change. signing off, yours truly anglo saxon honky

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    Chink is clearly an offensive term, and if you can't admit that or don't care then you clearly are all or some of those things you just listed.

    On its surface, the word chink is clearly not an offensive term - certainly no more than the word boy is an offensive term. However depending on the connotation, intention, and context both words can have significant negative application and would be considered by most and particularly by the recipient as offensive.

    The word chink means a crack, cleft, or fissure, it can also mean a narrow opening

    Unfortunately at some point someone thought it would be clever to co-opt the word and use it as a pejorative for people of Asian descent. Most probably finding similarity between the appearance of the Asian's eyes and the eye slit in the helmet which was also known as the chink in the armor.
    Chink in this instance meaning weak point or fault and this use would more closely reflect the meaning of the ESPN headline and would have no bearing on Lin's ancestral heritage or homeland.

    If all things were in there proper perspective the ESPN headline would be correct but thanks to someone co-opting the word....damn co-opters....why can't make up their own words and leave well enough alone?

    johnhunt

  • EarthyTechnoPop said...

    This is nothing more than just a footnote to what you wrote, but my roommate my freshman year at Carolina was Filipino ... the way he explained it to me, either Filipino or Asian was considered perfectly fine as far as he was concerned.

    Well then riddle me this

    Why is it Fillipinos are from the Philippines and not from the Filippines?

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    Well then riddle me this

    Why is it Fillipinos are from the Philippines and not from the Filippines?

    I'll ask him next time we talk.

    EarthyTechnoPop

  • Delicious Tacos said...

    Chink is clearly an offensive term, and if you can't admit that or don't care then you clearly are all or some of those things you just listed.

    Yes chink is an offensive racial slur..I can admit that. However, can you admit that it also has other meanings...as in a flaw and that in this instance it was clearly just an unfortunate choice of words. No malice was intended..not insult should be taken.

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