The Barnyard

The point that was trying to be made was that the middle class needed the tax breaks at this time .

My first question to you is "Have you ever worked for the Federal or your State/Local government?". Because if you had you would know that no government actually creates any infrastructure that is used by citizens and businesses. Government uses the taxes collected from citizens to hire local or national "businesses" to build the infrastructure thus ensuring that the money is implemented properly to meet the requirements stated in the budget of the government agency. These budget items are the result of requirements submitted to the government by citizens and businesses. If it isn't done this way we can end up with bridges that go nowhere. Infrastructure is based on the demands of the citizenry including businesses and is moderated based on the available tax base. We do not have an endless tax base and when government uses the limited resources of it's citizenry and businesses to fund requirements that bust the budget and do not meet critical requirements the people and businesses suffer with higher taxes, New and higher taxes on businesses (to make up the difference for poor government decisions) create all sorts of problems with maintaining job creation at an acceptable level.

By the way all governments would cease to exist without the very infrastructure created by the requirements of the citizens and business world. Business does not need government, government needs business. The citizens of this country use government to oversee the creation, construction, or maintenance of many common services since it is more efficient to do so. Without the articulated needs of those common services by citizens and business, government would have no job period.

This is not rocket science and yes I did work for the Federal goverment for over 30 years. My agency never created a job. It simply met the needs (in our case those of national defense) articulated by the common defense service need of the citizens and businesses in this country. We hired contractors and provided those contractors with a set of requirements and a budget for completing the project. The contractor decided how many positions he would be hiring to complete the project. The citizens hired and need-specifically trained by the business provided the government with a completed service. The government is just another customer.

Hope this clarifies the issue for you.

GrandpaCock

First off my depiction of government and its role in society was not nonsense. American taxpayers fund the government thus creating government jobs. The purpose of government is to oversee and facilitate certain agreed upon functions given to them by the taxpayer. Examples of these functions include infrastructure like roads, the military, agriculture safety, etc. The common denominator in all of these functions is they meet the requirements of the taxpayer deemed necessary for the welfare of the nation. If at any time a majority of the taxpayers agree that a common requirement is no longer necessary that government function can be abolished. In a Democratic Republic the government cannot abolish a business without due process.

Your comment about being on the "public dole" is both insulting and short-sighted. The entire US Military is on the public dole by your analogy and I can guarentee you that they work harder at their jobs than you will ever think about. The Defense Intelligence Community of which I was apart provides the first line of defense against terrorist activities. The sacrifice put in by the men and women of this close-knit, small community is one that you would not understand.

I stand by the fact that government was created to work for the taxpayer. It is not a job creator and it does not generate any tax revenue. Without the taxpayer base which includes businesses government would cease to exist.

Government facilitation is not the sameas job creation by businesses. Open your eyes 81Alumnus. Its time to enroll in Civics 101 again.

I'm an Independent who thinks for himself. I don't drink the koolade of the left or the right. That's the reason why the votes of independents in tight Presidential races are so important to the outcome. We normally pick the candidate who is less likely to screw things up. We also look for candidates with relevant experience. Hope and Change from President Barak Obama's first term in office, wonder how thats working out for him. I guess a job approval rating of around 37% isn't so good.

Independents see the current President for exactly what he is--an historic opportunity that went down the drain on a stupid philisophical stance.

If you think that the current economic disaster is a game, I pity you and those like you. Correcting the economic downturn is the most important issue to focus on in this election. Re-electing President Obama for more of the same will be sheer stupidity.

Don't bother to reply 81Alumnus. You have nothing relevant to say.

Fact is Hussein and the left want to target succes by raising taxes on those that used their(I'm not sure where the ownership came from) precious infrastructure better than others. Even though it was built by all, for all. Somehow, if you chose to (in my best hippie voice)'find myself on the open road, man' while someone else used the roads to ship goods, the guy Making money shipping goods should pay more for using the same roads. I guess I need someone from the 'real world' to explain how this is logical.

I like it better. Of all people, I'm surprised you're the one that asks.

well it appears for all the world to me like hussein barrack obamma mama barry whateverhisnameis...he is going to be reelected president. you might begin trying to come to grips with that

when that occurs the gop is going to have a choice. let all the bush tax cuts lapse or renew them for folks making say half a million a year. obama can let them lapse, he will be secure.

the day of reckoning is drawing near. taxes are going to have to go up for a lot of people. defense spending needs more scrutiny. s.s. & medicare need reform. we need to set our fiscal house in order.

when this is done the economy will begin to recover. when we have a reasonable path to debt reduction the economy will begin to recover

i think we are in for better days. i think obama will get to take credit, for good or bad. i hope the nation begins to do better

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nobody has done squat, realistically, imho, in the past few years. the commission that made recs...bowles simpson....that would have been a good start

but both parties played politics instead of doing anything. that includes the democrats and obama.

now all we have is bitter stand your ground politics where if some poor smuck happens to have an independent thought, he gets machine gunned by a nest of fanatics of one side or the other. a no mans land

its like the end of ww1...vast wastelands...trenches....poison gas attacks...mass casualties on all sides....ennui...loss of hope.....kafka....hitler....

wait...splashed some cold water in face feeling less fascistically grounded now

you sure he was not named for milton berle? that would perhaps put johnhunt out of commision.

uncle miltie brought cross dressing to television.

From a story which appeared on Reuters By Mark Hosenball, Washington| Tue May 29, 2012 7:30pm EDT

Republican Mitt Romney appears eligible to be president, according to a copy of Romney's birth certificate released to Reuters by his campaign. Willard Mitt Romney, the certificate says, was born in Detroit on March 12, 1947.

Hell, he could be named for Milton Bradley for all I know - Milton Berle...now there is a funny man! ABC could take some lessons from him - perhaps we all could learn a thing or two about humor from him.

However, you are correct, he was named for those individuals which you cite but the name on the paper is not Milton. There is a copy on the Reuters page. Perhaps you have a different copy?

As I said before, it could be a forgery and a fake but it is what it is at least on the web page.

I'm sure it's not a forgery. My links and the info I read were written before the end of May, I'm sure. Nothing more.

Still weird how he told John King in the GOP debate his first name was Mitt. "Mitt Mitt Romney." I love it!

And yes, as I told ABC, I love Uncle Miltie too. But my favorite from the early days of TV is Sid Ceasar. A genius and still with us too.

Interesting