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So does anybody think this might be global warming?

  • Any lawyers on the board know if we can prove global warming in a JFK Movie type trial could we sue big companies for damages? Would be a HUGE class action IMO

    SCarcock

  • Coulda had a V8

    a7xrox

  • KSigGamecock said...

    Y'all really just let steve come in and bring up a major political argument in the proving grounds? Fools

    No argument here. Just trying to figure out why it's getting hotter every year. My mailbox melted yesterday.

    SCarcock

  • http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/11/30/global-warming-e-mails-scandal-show-scientists-may-have-cooked-the-facts

    Preliminary analysis of the contents of thousands of E-mails and documents taken from the computer archives of the Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia—possibly by a hacker, possibly by a whistleblower—indicate a number of the world's most important scientists engaged in research designed to prove that global warming really does exist may have been cooking the books.

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • El Guapo said...

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/11/30/global-warming-e-mails-scandal-show-scientists-may-have-cooked-the-facts

    Preliminary analysis of the contents of thousands of E-mails and documents taken from the computer archives of the Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia—possibly by a hacker, possibly by a whistleblower—indicate a number of the world's most important scientists engaged in research designed to prove that global warming really does exist may have been cooking the books.

    People fought Heliocentric theory for a while. I estimate you have another 40 or so years left.

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    joetheogre

  • Apparently I was wrong. Actually 97–98% of the most published climate researchers say humans are causing global warming

    Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Surveys_of_scientists_and_scientific_literature

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    joetheogre

  • Wait till ancflag hets in this thread.

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    Black Death7

  • Be careful how you reply to this thread, as it may be construed as a conspiracy theory by those in the know.

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    TheRoosterCrows

  • joetheogre said...

    Over 90 percent of climatologists disagree with you

    almost all percentages used are made up.

    dgriffin

  • joethegamecock said...

    For the sake of an argument, let's assume that humans are the cause. Who is going to make China cut down on emissions and give a damn about the environment?

    Ha, the most ignorant form of logic. So your point is that we can't stop China, so why should we? The simple answer, because it is the right, moral thing to do. Please removed your head from your ass. Thanks.

    MrNiceGuy

  • wscocks said...

    Did cars cause the end of the last ice age ?

    Yea, it was the tourist driving in to the Grand Canyon that melted the ice flows that carved it out.

    CockyMike1

  • augustacarguy

  • augustacarguy said...

    Nope.

    I'm sure augustacarguy will disagree but I for one am convinced that mankind and cars are directly responsible for the increase in global temperature as this video will bare out....I must warn you it is not for the faint of heart or the non-believers.

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    car wash _ very hot !!

    Integrated into the Braga Tuning Motor Show...

    http://www.youtube.com/v/dxkMvup07go

    johnhunt

  • dgriffin said...

    almost all percentages used are made up.

    I did make it up. Apparently the actual number is closer to 97%

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  • johnhunt said...

    I'm sure augustacarguy will disagree but I for one am convinced that mankind and cars are directly responsible for the increase in global temperature as this video will bare out....I must warn you it is not for the faint of heart or the non-believers.

    I don't believe in global warming, but not because I'm a car guy. Also, even if 100% of scientists agree, it doesn't make them right.

    augustacarguy

  • augustacarguy said...

    I don't believe in global warming, but not because I'm a car guy.

    Why don't you believe in it?

    EarthyTechnoPop

  • I guess we need to differentiate here. We're discussing man-made global warming, correct? I can concede that we most certainly have an effect on the environment. Can pro global warmers admit that the earth has cyclical temperatures? The question becomes - which has more of an effect on the environment? To say its caused by man today is a bit of a stretch for me. Examples - smog warning days in LA in the late 80's/early 90's were nearly ever single day. Today they very rarely have them. It's like that everywhere across the country. Vehicles and smoke stacks, two big culprits of pollution, aren't nearly as harmful as they were 20 years ago.

    Tempest

  • Tempest said...

    I guess we need to differentiate here. We're discussing man-made global warming, correct? I can concede that we most certainly have an effect on the environment. Can pro global warmers admit that the earth has cyclical temperatures?

    The question becomes - which has more of an effect on the environment? To say its caused by man today is a bit of a stretch for me.

    Examples - smog warning days in LA in the late 80's/early 90's were nearly ever single day. Today they very rarely have them. It's like that everywhere across the country. Vehicles and smoke stacks, two big culprits of pollution, aren't nearly as harmful as they were 20 years ago.

    -Yes the earth is affected by long term, natural, cyclical changes
    - Human activity has also caused changes, particularly within the last century, and even more in the last 20-30 years
    - The reason you don't see things like smog clouds in LA is because factories and waste centers are much farther from cities than they used to be. In other words, pollutants are more spread out than they used to be, rather than being concentrated in cities. However, in terms of amount of gases and waste, the earth produces much more than it did even a few decades ago. A large reason for this is India, China, etc.

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  • augustacarguy said...

    I don't believe in global warming, but not because I'm a car guy. Also, even if 100% of scientists agree, it doesn't make them right.

    Why is science not good enough? Do you not believe in other scientific facts like DNA, the atom, Heliocentrism, etc. Why should global warming be any different.

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  • joetheogre said...

    Why is science not good enough? Do you not believe in other scientific facts like DNA, the atom, Heliocentrism, etc. Why should global warming be any different.

    I just don't think anyone knows climate data much further back than maybe two hundred years or so, certainly not a couple of thousand years. Not to say it isn't hot. I sat through the Braves game yesterday. First pitch, they said it was 110 on the field.

    augustacarguy

  • augustacarguy said...

    I just don't think anyone knows climate data much further back than maybe two hundred years or so, certainly not a couple of thousand years. Not to say it isn't hot. I sat through the Braves game yesterday. First pitch, they said it was 110 on the field.

    We certainly don't climate data going that far back. But we know we are releasing record amounts of pollutants and that these pollutants can cause temperature rises. Shouldn't that be a concern in and of itself?

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  • augustacarguy said...

    I just don't think anyone knows climate data much further back than maybe two hundred years or so, certainly not a couple of thousand years. Not to say it isn't hot. I sat through the Braves game yesterday. First pitch, they said it was 110 on the field.

    There are some pretty sophisticated methods used to figure out what the climate was like thousands of years ago. I don't think anyone could tell you what the weather was like on August 4, 8014 BC, but they could tell you characteristics of fossils and soil samples from that era that could lead you to some pretty good conclusions on climate during that time period.

    I'm nowhere near the field of climatology, but to assume that this stuff isn't true because you assume that people can't extrapolate back to times when we didn't actually measure weather conditions seems to ignore a lot of solid science ... science that is on solid ground.

    EarthyTechnoPop

  • joetheogre said...

    We certainly don't climate data going that far back. But we know we are releasing record amounts of pollutants and that these pollutants can cause temperature rises. Shouldn't that be a concern in and of itself?

    To much can, could, maybe, what ifs, and agenda in this sort of science... Have you ever been to an Eastern European country, or a place like Nepal? You fly over the country and as you approach a village or city, the air turns dirty and brown from all the coal being burned. It wasn't to long ago that the whole world used coal like that. You can hardly breathe in Kathmandu, seriously. Coal burning is dirty and has been going on a long time. I think what we are doing today is much cleaner, and has been for some time. Point being, I don't think man is causing temps to go up. If we were, is seems to me it should even be hotter. I think it is called seasons, and seasons vary. I also don't believe in evolution, the big bang, or a billions of year old earth, so laugh your hearts out! JMO

    augustacarguy

  • augustacarguy said...

    I also don't believe in evolution, the big bang, or a billions of year old earth, so laugh your hearts out! JMO

    Do you believe that the universe is currently expanding?

    EarthyTechnoPop

  • EarthyTechnoPop said...

    Do you believe that the universe is currently expanding?

    Yes. Isaiah 46:12, addresses that.

    BTW, just want to make sure you know, I'm not being confrontational. I know how it goes on here sometimes! I come in peace.

    augustacarguy

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