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So does anybody think this might be global warming?

  • What is the Climate Change denier's response to the ice core samples that show a clear connection between amount of carbon in the atmosphere and amounts of ice accumulation?

    "Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty...and love of truth"

    DeliciousTacos

  • So none of you were convinced even with the bare facts from the video staring you in the face...oh well...

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    So none of you were convinced even with the bare facts from the video staring you in the face...oh well...

    I for one am committed to doing more research on that topic biggrin

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    joetheogre

  • DeliciousTacos said...

    What is the Climate Change denier's response to the ice core samples that show a clear connection between amount of carbon in the atmosphere and amounts of ice accumulation?

    Friend, I'm just a Christian car guy. I can't answer a bunch of science questions, I took my last science class in 1990 at PC. I seriously doubt any of us on the BY are experts in any of these fields, but I'm sure we could all regurgitate questions we've heard are the "gotcha" questions from both sides. A good resource, for those who might actually interested in what the Bible says about a lot of the things of the past is:

    Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics

    Answers in Genesis is an apologetics (i.e., Christianity-defending) ministry, dedicated to enabling Christians to defend their faith and to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ effectively.

    www.answersingenesis.org

    augustacarguy

  • augustacarguy said...

    Friend, I'm just a Christian car guy. I can't answer a bunch of science questions, I took my last science class in 1990 at PC. I seriously doubt any of us on the BY are experts in any of these fields, but I'm sure we could all regurgitate questions we've heard are the "gotcha" questions from both sides. A good resource, for those who might actually interested in what the Bible says about a lot of the things of the past is:

    No, I'm sure a two thousand year old fairy tale can provide loads of quality input on the subject of global warming.

    "Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty...and love of truth"

    DeliciousTacos

  • DeliciousTacos said...

    No, I'm sure a two thousand year old fairy tale can provide loads of quality input on the subject of global warming.

    Never heard that one before.

    augustacarguy

  • augustacarguy said...

    Never heard that one before.

    I bet YOU have

    "Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty...and love of truth"

    DeliciousTacos

  • johnhunt said...

    So none of you were convinced even with the bare facts from the video staring you in the face...oh well...

    You had me at hello

    maxcy124sc90

  • I think having Al Gore as the poster child for climate change was one of the worst decisions ever. It politicized this whole thing. I know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we're dumping millions if tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, and its getting hotter. Draw your own conclusions, but I'm investing in carbon scrubbers. :-)

    Jefe5235

  • Jefe` said...

    I think having Al Gore as the poster child for climate change was one of the worst decisions ever. It politicized this whole thing.

    I know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we're dumping millions if tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, and its getting hotter. Draw your own conclusions, but I'm investing in carbon scrubbers. :-)

    -I agree. They should have not made it a political thing.

    -That is all I want people to admit.

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  • joetheogre said...

    -I agree. They should have not made it a political thing.

    -That is all I want people to admit.

    where do I sign up.

    I will be the first to admit the issue is way too political and

    algore is not a good spokesman for global warming, carbon footprints, the internet, tobacco reform, journalism, divinity school, harvard, politics, songs his mother used to sing.....

    johnhunt

  • joetheogre said...

    Over 90 percent of climatologists disagree with you

    The human population has been between 100 million in Year One and gradually to 1 billion by
    the 1800's; in the later 1800's we went from 1 billion to the current, cozy 7 billion.....maybe that
    would have something to do with it. It's no particular industry's fault, we're just cookin' the planet.
    There will be many creatures that benefit from GW; some that won't; but it is happening.

    I lived in Alaska from 1980 - 1988. I recall when the state built a multi-million dollar visitor's center
    at Portage Glacier, just South of Anchorage. Busloads of tourists, etc. could pull into the parking
    lot, see the glacier a 100 yards away. Now, she's gone from sight, around a bend; and the permafrost
    cooler we dug, 5 ft. deep, at my brother's cabin 25 years ago, is melted and has turned to mush...
    And there are many other glaciers, warming symptoms, and ice floes melting. One whole island is
    melting soon, and the Natives are being relocated to the Mainland; that's Nunavak Island. Toast....

    And I would not vote for Gore, Obama, or any Democrat on the federal level if you promised me we'd
    beat Clemson for the next two decades...it is certainly used by them, but that does not make it go away.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by stockcock on 7/2/2012 at 2:23 PM

    stockcock

  • stockcock said...

    The human population has been between 100 million in Year One and gradually to 1 billion by the 1800's; in the later 1800's we went from 1 billion to the current, cozy 7 billion.....maybe that would have something to do with it. It's no particular industry's fault, we're just cookin' the planet. There will be many creatures that benefit from GW; some that won't; but it is happening.

    I lived in Alaska from 1980 - 1988. I recall when the state built a multi-million dollar visitor's center at Portage Glacier, just South of Anchorage. Busloads of tourists, etc. could pull into the parking lot, see the glacier a 100 yards away. Now, she's gone from sight, around a bend; and the permafrost cooler we dug, 5 ft. deep, at my brother's cabin 25 years ago, is melted and has turned to mush... And there are many other glaciers, warming symptoms, and ice floes melting. One whole island is melting soon, and the Natives are being relocated to the Mainland; that's Nunavak Island. Toast....

    And I would not vote for Gore, Obama, or any Democrat on the federal level if you promised me we'd beat Clemson for the next two decades...it is certainly used by them, but that does not make it go away.

    Growth in human population has certainly been a contributor. However while the world population is seven times larger than it was 200 years ago, our emissions have far outstripped that pace. You bring up some good points though.

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    joetheogre

  • johnhunt said...

    where do I sign up.

    I will be the first to admit the issue is way too political and

    algore is not a good spokesman for global warming, carbon footprints, the internet, tobacco reform, journalism, divinity school, harvard, politics, songs his mother used to sing.....

    Al Gore isn't good for much to be honest.

    All I want for people to admit is:

    -The amount of greenhouse gases (CO2 and others) in the atmosphere has a positive correlation with Earth's temperature. (The exact extent is still unclear)
    -Human activity has led to an all time high in greenhouse gas emissions. This rate continues to grow.
    -If temperatures rise enough, the effects could be dangerous

    If people will admit to these three then i will shut up about this.

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    joetheogre

  • joetheogre said...

    Al Gore isn't good for much to be honest.

    All I want for people to admit is:

    -The amount of greenhouse gases (CO2 and others) in the atmosphere has a positive correlation with Earth's temperature. (The exact extent is still unclear) -Human activity has led to an all time high in greenhouse gas emissions. This rate continues to grow. -If temperatures rise enough, the effects could be dangerous

    If people will admit to these three then i will shut up about this.

    I think the first two points need to be modified slightly:

    1) Not only is the correlation positive, but it is in fact exponential. In other words, the rate at which Earth's energy is retained inside the atmosphere as a result of CO2 concentrations is much higher than the rate at which CO2 concentrations are currently rising.

    2) The Earth's atmosphere has contained current CO2 concentration levels in the past and, at times, even higher levels. The issue is one of the concentration levels lowering. Imagine filling a two liter jug up with water from a fawcet and allowing the water to escape the 2 liter by taking a thumb tack and punching a whole in the bottom. If the water represents CO2 concentrations, it is easy to see that it is much easier and quicker for the CO2 concentration rise than it is to fall. This is the way our atmosphere works. Our current CO2 levels are somewhere around 400 ppm. In the past, when the CO2 concentrations were that high, it was the result of rare occurrences such as significant volcanic activity in a short period of time. Because such significant activities do not occur frequently, the Earth's atmosphere had time to re-adjust. Human emissions of CO2 will not decrease unless we decide to bring them down. This will result in increased CO2 concentrations without the down-time for the atmosphere to naturally re-adjust. The last time CO2 concentrations were at the level they are now was 15 million years ago when average surface temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees higher and sea levels were anywhere from 75 to 120 feet higher than now.

    We know that the current average Earth temperature is the result of anthropogenic CO2 emissions because of the temperatures in the Earth's atmosphere. If the increase was due to solar activity, there would be a similar increase on the top and bottom of the Earth's atmosphere. That has not happened. The temperature of the solar-side of the Earth's atmosphere has remained relatively constant for decades while the temperature on the Earth-side has steadily increase for decades. Additionally, the ocean operates similarly to a swimming pool in that the water absorbs heat and energy. Deep level ocean temperatures are higher now than ever before in recorded history. Current readings show significantly increased temperatures as far down as 3,000 feet. The increased temperatures change oceanic acidity which affects weather cycles and habitats for marine life.

    This is all I am going to say on this subject as I am too busy spending the rest of my time searching for scientific articles discrediting currenty scientific thought regarding anthropogenic climate change. So far, the results have been 0, but I have been assured they are out there. My next readings will be showing how the same people who are discrediting climate change in the public arena also successfully discredited the link between cigarettes and cancer. My last endeavor is discovering the symbiotic relationship ancient humans had with dinosaurs, because they definitely lived together a few thousand years ago.

    EDIT: I had to modify item 1 due to incorrect wording.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CockAtLaw on 7/2/2012 at 3:23 PM

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  • No fair Joe You’re changing the rules

    You initially said:

    They should have not made it a political thing -That is all I want people to admit.
    I will sign up and on to that statement

    Aside from this, I have agreed in principle and provided video evidence that people and cars are anecdotally responsible for possible increases in global temperature or at the very least in raising my surface temperature.

    I'm not prepared to commit any further without additional video footage.

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    No fair Joe You’re changing the rules

    You initially said:

    They should have not made it a political thing -That is all I want people to admit. I will sign up and on to that statement

    Aside from this, I have agreed in principle and provided video evidence that people and cars are anecdotally responsible for possible increases in global temperature or at the very least in raising my surface temperature.

    I'm not prepared to commit any further without additional video footage.

    I should have been more clear. I was adressing two seperate points that Jefe made when I said that.

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  • Jefe` said...

    I think having Al Gore as the poster child for climate change was one of the worst decisions ever. It politicized this whole thing. I know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we're dumping millions if tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, and its getting hotter. Draw your own conclusions, but I'm investing in carbon scrubbers. :-)

    funny, the issue is climate change, not al gore. that gore was right about this, that he was right to say before we invaded iraq that it was a stupid thing, for being right you resent it

    dont listen to gore, listen to the 99% of real scientists then, stop making it political and it will stop being political

    i think having ron reagan as the poster child for running up deficits was the wrong choice, bad role, i like him better in bedtime for bonzo

    science...not politicians

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • Aaron Burr Cock said...

    science...not politicians

    Pretty much sums it up for me.

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    joetheogre

  • There have been plenty scientific consesus...es in the past that have proven to be wrong. "Bleeding" patients to help get rid of their "humors", the idea of spontaneous genesis, that pluto was a planet, how black holes behave, how many planets there are in the universe...the list goes on and on. Again, I've stated I do believe that humans have an effect on the environment, but not nearly to the level postulated by climatoligists. Hell, that gives me another example. They've been predicting 4-6 super hurricanes to devestate the US for years, with Katrina being the only outlier in the group. I think you'll see 20 years from now that temperatures will not have continued to rise.

    Tempest

  • Tempest said...

    There have been plenty scientific consesus............. I think you'll see 20 years from now that temperatures will not have continued to rise.

    This from a guy who still believes Dubya was telling the truth about WMD's in Iraq.

    Sorry Einstein. With the future of civilization on the line, I'll go with the "scientific consensus" rather than YOUR "opinion."

    This post was edited by 81 Alumnus on 7/3/2012 at 12:37 AM

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  • Tempest said...

    There have been plenty scientific consesus...es in the past that have proven to be wrong. "Bleeding" patients to help get rid of their "humors", the idea of spontaneous genesis, that pluto was a planet, how black holes behave, how many planets there are in the universe...the list goes on and on. Again, I've stated I do believe that humans have an effect on the environment, but not nearly to the level postulated by climatoligists. Hell, that gives me another example. They've been predicting 4-6 super hurricanes to devestate the US for years, with Katrina being the only outlier in the group. I think you'll see 20 years from now that temperatures will not have continued to rise.

    There was no peer reviewed scientific theories of blood letting, or spontaneous generation, or black holes. And the reclassification of Pluto was a taxonomic issue, no scientific theory was made obsolete. Some have predicted hurricanes, but not everyone--it's hardly any sort of evidence against climate change. In short...you are dumb as hell.

    "Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty...and love of truth"

    DeliciousTacos

  • Tempest said...

    There have been plenty scientific consesus...es in the past that have proven to be wrong. "Bleeding" patients to help get rid of their "humors", the idea of spontaneous genesis, that pluto was a planet, how black holes behave, how many planets there are in the universe...the list goes on and on. Again, I've stated I do believe that humans have an effect on the environment, but not nearly to the level postulated by climatoligists. Hell, that gives me another example. They've been predicting 4-6 super hurricanes to devestate the US for years, with Katrina being the only outlier in the group. I think you'll see 20 years from now that temperatures will not have continued to rise.

    -The Hurricane predictions were way off. Even if global temperatures had rised 10 or 15 degrees, that still would have been far too difficult to predict. As I've said, global warming activists need to focus on science and leave the Al Gore/weather scaring at home

    -Unfortunately I think temperatures will continue to rise

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    joetheogre

  • CockAtLaw said...

    2) The Earth's atmosphere has contained current CO2 concentration levels in the past and, at times, even higher levels. The issue is one of the concentration levels lowering. Imagine filling a two liter jug up with water from a fawcet

    No appeal allowed in my spelling class, line 3 above --- faucet

    I know what I am about to say will set some off, but since most of this is opinion, here is mine. As a Christian, I believe in intelligent design. As an educated man, I see changes in our environment. As a Christian, I read Revelations with greater interest. As an educated man, I know man affects the environment but also know that weather follows long cycles. Is this a long cycle of rising temps ? I do not know & no one else can be 100% sure. I do not like the EPA because some the assinine(intentional) rules/regulations are beyond stupid. However, we need to treat this planet better, which can be as simple as not littering, finding a new source of energy for cars/heating/cooling/manufacturing.

    I have come to the conclusion that if we as a species put as much energy in finding solutions as we do into arguing over the definition of the problem, we could have solved these questions years ago. Do I believe in 'global warming' as commonly presented, no. Do I believe that it is hotter today than it was 40 years ago when I was cropping tobacco in SC, without question.

    dodgerblue42312

  • Tempest said...

    There have been plenty scientific consesus...es in the past that have proven to be wrong. "Bleeding" patients to help get rid of their "humors", the idea of spontaneous genesis, that pluto was a planet, how black holes behave, how many planets there are in the universe...the list goes on and on. Again, I've stated I do believe that humans have an effect on the environment, but not nearly to the level postulated by climatoligists. Hell, that gives me another example. They've been predicting 4-6 super hurricanes to devestate the US for years, with Katrina being the only outlier in the group. I think you'll see 20 years from now that temperatures will not have continued to rise.

    What if you and those who share your opinion are wrong?

    Jefe5235