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Tea party taken over the barn yard?

  • CayceCock said...

    BT, Joe, ABC and any others that might be more left of center. I am registered independent but am slightly right of center, no tea partier. Here is my question, I think we can all agree spending is outrageous and finiancial times are tough, if we had to cut spending in any one category what would yall cut? I would cut defense contracts (I am in the Military and those are scams) and I would cut welfare BIG TIME (I see so many people abusing the system cause it is easier to get free money than to work) and I would cut some of Higher Education. Those are just my feelings and would like to know yalls, or anyone elses.

    fair enough question. i think the military can but cut, absolutely. we could begin by getting out of afghanistan asap. we do not need to let our guard down against threats from abroad or at home but is there fat? sure

    cutting welfare? does that include social security medicare medicaid etc or are you just talking about food stamps type of welfare?

    i ask cause that determines how much money you can cut. i think with a single payer health care system we could cease medicare and medicaid and just have health care. i am positive we could do as well but cheaper. if you call this socialism ok call it that but it would save us trillions over the long haul

    reform social security raise the retirement age. cap the benefits & encourage young people to invest and diversify, but keep the s.s. social net for the truly needy

    legalize some number of recreational drugs like pot, tax it to death put that money in health care.

    education? i think we need to invest wisely in areas of technology for schools. if we do something reasonable we can offer the youngsters a hope instead of what they look at now....an abysmal world with dang little prospect unless you know somebody have money already or are just charming handsome and ingratiating like me

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • I can agree with you on Social Security. I am not a big fan of cutting the size of the military but more cutting the all of the independent fluff military contracts. Every time we cut the military size in history, we have to build it back up in the near future which ends up degrading the military and costing just as much. I could see putting more emphasis in the National Guard if you are going to cut active duty size.

    Personally, I am 100% against legalziing drugs (i work in narcotics and have seen way to much bad that comes from drugs) but I respect your opinion to tax the death out of it. haha.

    Welfare reform - #1 in my book is restructuring unemployment benefits, then section 8 housing and then policing of food stamps (they are dealt, traded and sold in an uncontrolable manner right now)

    Education, i agree we need to invest in techonology and work to make all kids on a level playing field in K-12. I feel we give to much to college students in the idea of government assistance. Plus, I feel, we have to many people going to college when they are better suited for techinical careers.

    I appreciate your honest answers. It amazes me how many people get in shouting matches instead of just good ole debate.

    CayceCock

  • CayceCock said...

    BT, Joe, ABC and any others that might be more left of center. I am registered independent but am slightly right of center, no tea partier. Here is my question, I think we can all agree spending is outrageous and finiancial times are tough, if we had to cut spending in any one category what would yall cut? I would cut defense contracts (I am in the Military and those are scams) and I would cut welfare BIG TIME (I see so many people abusing the system cause it is easier to get free money than to work) and I would cut some of Higher Education. Those are just my feelings and would like to know yalls, or anyone elses.

    Definitely agree on cutting military budgets. I think a lot of this will come down naturally now that it looks the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are winding down. We will be paying a lot less soldiers. I am also of the opinion that we should start looking to close some of our military bases in Germany. The made sense during the Cold War, but I don't think it is that important anymore.

    I would scale back some welfare programs as well. Medicare/Medicaid are good programs. I think Social Security should be scaled back and the minimum age to collect it raised. I think there are some good laws with unemployment, but they are not enforced properly. You are supposed to show you are interviewing or applying for jobs you are qualified for and if you get offered a job, your unemployment is supposed to be cut, but this doesn't happen for whatever reason.

    I disagree with cuts to Higher Education. I think this is crucial, as having a helathy university system not only serves the citizens of the state, but it draws more research and research dollars to the state. It also leads to a more educated workforce, which in my opinion is a great thing.

    I think the solution is to approach this from both directions. Cut back some spending and enforcing regulations will go a long way. But we should also try to raise revenue. As recent as 2009, the cigarette tax was only 7 cents a pack, which generates roughly 28 million dollars a year. By raising the tax to a dollar a pack (the national average) we would generate 390 million dollars, which would be a huge boom. That money could go to higher education, improving the poor facilities at some of the schools along I-95, or a variety of other programs.

    Another huge potential boom would be building casinos in Myrtle Beach. Already our states biggest tourist destination, we would become and even bigger one and could market ourselves as an Atlantic City of the South. This may not go over well with the social conservatives that have a lot of power in the state, but the taxes on casinos would provide a ton of revenue and would draw in more tourism in general that otherwise wouldn't have come.

    I will add what ABC pointed out. Legalize and heavily tax marijuana. A heavy percentage of people my age (25-33% I would guess) smoke it in varying amounts already. If they are going to do so anyway, let them do it when it is state regulated and state taxed. Not only would the stuff be healthier, but it would produce millions in revenue.

    Between these three you are looking at hundreds of millions of dollars generated without really raising taxes on regular hardworking families. Sure it sucks for people who smoke cigarettes, but perhaps some of them would stop smoking, which would have residual effects on the overall health of South Carolinians.

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 4/3/2012 at 10:17 AM

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  • joetheogre said...

    Another huge potential boom would be building casinos in Myrtle Beach.This may not go over well with the social conservatives that have a lot of power in the state, but the taxes on casinos would provide a ton of revenue and would draw in more tourism in general that otherwise wouldn't have come.

    I could not agree more. I am socially conservative and would be just fine with putting casinos in MB. I think one of the original casino tycoons said that Myrtle Beach would draw more people than Vegas.
    Plus no natives of SC go to MB because its already a tourist trap, now we just need to make more money off of it.

    CayceCock

  • CayceCock said...

    I could not agree more. I am socially conservative and would be just fine with putting casinos in MB. I think one of the original casino tycoons said that Myrtle Beach would draw more people than Vegas. Plus no natives of SC go to MB because its already a tourist trap, now we just need to make more money off of it.

    Exactly! Myrtle Beach is essentially a redux of the Jersey Shore, so why not profit on this. It could be incredibly lucrative.

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  • Big Train said...

    .... Fred Kock fortune was made in the Soviet Union under Stalin in the oil fields...

    Don't you hate when people feign outrage yet give a pass to others for similar activity. Not a single mention of the Al Gore, Sr financier Armand Hammer.

    He made bazillions by cornering the pencil market in the Soviet Union under Lenin; he was also heavily invested in pharmaceuticals sales and was involved in the fur trade with Lenin's minions within the fledgling Soviet Union.

    Throughout his life he continued personal and business dealings with the Soviet Union and appointed al gore, sr president of his coal division of Occidental Petroleum a company which he made billions from Libyan oil.

    I guess the difference is he didn't bank roll the hate group birch society. ..even though Hammer claimed Communist ties and was a lifelong friend of the Soviet Union.

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    Kicked back in my barcalounger with a Jagerbomb while in a semi-comatose state drooling with anticipation of the final round of the Big Dance - I reread the entirety of this thread where you begin by proclaiming your allegiance to the independent party and your distain for extremes of either party.

    Please don't take offence, but after re-acquainting myself with all of your comments in this thread you might be interested to know you did not reference a single moderate position. Furthermore, by implication, you in fact assumed the mantle of a liberal with your presumption that only independents are free to vote without persuasion of either party.

    A conservative is inherently free to choose without fear of undue political party pressure.

    Your extreme stance on taxpayer subsidization of the education system over and above what the system can bear and your overt dislike Haley coupled with your admiration of the segreagationists Thurmond and Tillman - one can only conclude you are not independently moderate but are in fact, at a minimum, a closet progressive and probably quite liberal in your political leanings.

    When you belong to the extreme right as you do, there is no moderate. Forty percent of America now condsider themselves moderate independent which leaves the extreme right at fifteen and irrrlevant except when they are ranting.

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  • Big Train said...

    When you belong to the extreme right as you do, there is no moderate. Forty percent of America now condsider themselves moderate independent which leaves the extreme right at fifteen and irrrlevant except when they are ranting.

    You don't see the humor in your posts? - I'm guessing it's because you are a very serious guy and your sense of humor is on par with Art Linkletter's Kids say the darndest things.

    I really wish you would lighten up and get in touch with your Rochester self instead of always portraying yourself as Jack Benny.

    You accuse me of being extreme right wing yet cite absolutely no evidence to support your claim - you offer statistical data which is irrelevant on its face and does not account for the other 45% of the electorate.

    I'm extreme? .... yet you admire our former segregationist and racist governors

    I'm extreme? .... yet you have many friends who were members of either the klan or the john birch society but now just claim to be tea party members.

    I'm extreme? .... but your the one who doesn't like political cartoons

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    You don't see the humor in your posts? - I'm guessing it's because you are a very serious guy and your sense of humor is on par with Art Linkletter's Kids say the darndest things.

    I really wish you would lighten up and get in touch with your Rochester self instead of always portraying yourself as Jack Benny.

    You accuse me of being extreme right wing yet cite absolutely no evidence to support your claim - you offer statistical data which is irrelevant on its face and does not account for the other 45% of the electorate.

    I'm extreme? .... yet you admire our former segregationist and racist governors

    I'm extreme? .... yet you have many friends who were members of either the klan or the john birch society but now just claim to be tea party members.

    I'm extreme? .... but your the one who doesn't like political cartoons

    John, are you trying to use facts, figures, and logic when debating a liberal? BT's posts are so ludicrous in so many different ways it's almost a waste of time to address any further. It may be more productive to just bang your head against a wall...just a suggestion.

    maxcy124sc90

  • johnhunt said...

    You don't see the humor in your posts? - I'm guessing it's because you are a very serious guy and your sense of humor is on par with Art Linkletter's Kids say the darndest things.

    I really wish you would lighten up and get in touch with your Rochester self instead of always portraying yourself as Jack Benny.

    You accuse me of being extreme right wing yet cite absolutely no evidence to support your claim - you offer statistical data which is irrelevant on its face and does not account for the other 45% of the electorate.

    I'm extreme? .... yet you admire our former segregationist and racist governors

    I'm extreme? .... yet you have many friends who were members of either the klan or the john birch society but now just claim to be tea party members.

    I'm extreme? .... but your the one who doesn't like political cartoons

    Read your own post, enough said.

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  • maxcy124sc90 said...

    John, are you trying to use facts, figures, and logic when debating a liberal? BT's posts are so ludicrous in so many different ways it's almost a waste of time to address any further. It may be more productive to just bang your head against a wall...just a suggestion.

    Any thing other than extreme right is liberal, why do either of you even care what the majority of America thinks or does.

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  • Big Train said...

    why do either of you even care what the majority of America thinks or does.

    Gallup pole 1.12.2012
    Debating politics is fun when we can be civil, honest, and factual, but it ruins it when you just spit stuff from your cornhole.

    This post was edited by CayceCock on 4/4/2012 at 2:38 PM

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  • This one is my favorite because it really justifies the old addage (wether you agree or disagree) by Winston Churchill; “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

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  • Big Train said...

    Any thing other than extreme right is liberal, why do either of you even care what the majority of America thinks or does.

    You are not in the majority...sorry to break that to you. If you didn't realize before that you are a liberal...I'm here to confirm that for you. Please see chart above for "facts and figures"...or just keep making stuff up if you like.

    maxcy124sc90

  • CayceCock said...

    Gallup pole 1.12.2012 Debating politics is fun when we can be civil, honest, and factual, but it ruins it when you just spit stuff from your cornhole.

    I think the "cornhole" option is what most prefer. It's easier.

    maxcy124sc90

  • Interesting charts, more of less confirmed my suspicions. I do find it unfortunate the less and less people tend to indentify themselves as moderate or independent.

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  • I agree, but that is what happens when you have polarizing politicians and even worse Media, on both sides.
    Trayvon Martin case is a perfect example, and NBC barely appologized for clipping the audio clip and for video tape. There is no unbiased media outlets anymore.

    This post was edited by CayceCock on 4/4/2012 at 7:30 PM

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  • CayceCock said...

    I agree, but that is what happens when you have polarizing politicians and even worse Media, on both sides.
    Trayvon Martin case is a perfect example, and NBC barely appologized for clipping the audio clip and for video tape. There is no unbiased media outlets anymore.

    Not even big spur?

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  • CayceCock said...

    I agree, but that is what happens when you have polarizing politicians and even worse Media, on both sides. Trayvon Martin case is a perfect example, and NBC barely appologized for clipping the audio clip and for video tape. There is no unbiased media outlets anymore.

    We know NBC manipulated the facts in the trayvon martin case and we know that dan rather provided forged documents to misrepresent george bush's military service.

    This post was edited by johnhunt on 8/3/2012 at 4:58 AM

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    So Hitler has a heart, and Neil Degrasse Tyson has no brain...good to know

    What Hitler did went far beyond any normal political opinions.

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  • 3.0 said...

    Not even big spur?

    Of course I am excluding THEBIGSPUR surrenderlol

    CayceCock

  • Delicious Tacos said...

    The point is that he was liberal in his youth...genious

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  • Trooperdel said...

    Personally, I find education overrated. How many universities are full of really smart people that can't even zip up their velcro shoes.

    I live my own life according to two core value statements:

    First, it is not what you know. It is who you know. Second, if you want to be the man, you have to beat the man. Wooooo.

    I think I might have to agree with Trooper - focus may need to shift to Trade schools.

    johnhunt