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any good global warming jokes?

  • having lived in the upstate since 1986 there has never been anything close to the furnace we got now

    my son & his girlfriend left their whining little dog with us while they trip to see the braves play today. the heat and the whining is close to causing me to go postal.

    but, truly, global warming, what a joke...

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • Breaking temps from the 1930.

    And yet folks in Seattle have been wearing coats for the past week bc of cooler than normal temps.

    I think it feels great outside. Give me this over temps in the 20-30's everyday. My pool is calling.

    europhilz

  • Aaron Burr Cock said...

    any good global warming jokes?

    Only that people still don't accept it.

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    joetheogre

  • joetheogre said...

    Only that people still don't accept it.

    Why do you suppose that is?

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    Why do you suppose that is?

    I just find it funny that people respect science in almost every aspect of life, but when it becomes political somehow the same processes that proved DNA, the atom, etc are no longer good enough.

    As I've pointed out in a few posts, upwards of 90% of climatologists say that global warming is happening. Why can't people see that and admit "it seems this is going on in some capacity". The US is the only western nation where a majority party as a whole denies the existence of global warming. Doesn't that scare you on some level?

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 7/1/2012 at 4:28 PM

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  • joetheogre said...

    I just find it funny that people respect science in almost every aspect of life, but when it becomes political somehow the same processes that proved DNA, the atom, etc are no longer good enough.

    As I've pointed out in a few posts, upwards of 90% of climatologists say that global warming is happening. Why can't people see that and admit "it seems this is going on in some capacity". The US is the only western nation where a majority party as a whole denies the existence of global warming. Doesn't that scare you on some level?

    Bc if you look at the global temps for the past 2500000000 plus years, this isn't even a bump. Blaming temp changes on man, when they've always changed, is like blaming squirrels for the changes.

    europhilz

  • europhilz said...

    Bc if you look at the global temps for the past 2500000000 plus years, this isn't even a bump. Blaming temp changes on man, when they've always changed, is like blaming squirrels for the changes.

    Are you arguing that the pollutants created by human activity have had zero effect on the climate or that we shouldn't worry about the changes we are causing because changes have always occured?

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  • I'm saying that the earth has warmed, and cooled, on it's own for billions of years. Including a LARGE portion of time before human existence. Is there absolute evidence that the earth wouldn't be warming on its own? Should we actually be in a cooling period and human activity is the sole reason for temps from the 1920s being broken?

    europhilz

  • You didn't answer the question. Ignoring global warming because the Earth's climate fluctuates naturally can only be based on two positions. Is it that:

    -Pollutants created by human activity have had zero effect on the climate?

    OR

    -That we shouldn't worry about the changes we are causing because changes have always occured?

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  • joetheogre said...

    You didn't answer the question. Ignoring global warming because the Earth's climate fluctuates naturally can only be based on two positions. Is it that:

    -Pollutants created by human activity have had zero effect on the climate?

    OR

    -That we shouldn't worry about the changes we are causing because changes have always occured?

    No, it's not a this or that answer. The earth has always had temps rise and fall. To say human activity is causing the movement now is a stretch IMO.

    Might pollutants have a very small impact, sure.

    Since you like questions - if it weren't for human activity, would temps be falling?

    europhilz

  • Better yet - what would global temps currently be doing if it weren't for human activity?

    europhilz

  • europhilz said...

    Better yet - what would global temps currently be doing if it weren't for human activity?

    Of course temperatures would be changing. That doesn't mean we can overlook the amount of evidence looking at us in the face. Human activity is unquestionably having an effect on the climate. Consider:

    -We are putting out record numbers of pollutants and greenhouse gases
    -Greenhouse gases are known to cause an increase in temperature

    The fact that NO serious climatologist has published ONE peer reviewed study dismissing human activity in favor of the Earth natural cycles to explain rising temperature should tell you something.

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  • nm

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by joetheogre on 7/1/2012 at 9:24 PM

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  • http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

    -97.4 percent of climatologists who have published perr reviewed studies in the field say that human activity is a "significant contibuting factor" to global warming

    The article concludes:

    "It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

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  • What is the extent of the impact of human activity?

    What would the average global temps be if it weren't for human activity?

    If you can't answer those, and not guesstimates, then I'll continue to believe that it is minimal and that this isn't even a bump on the overall picture of global temps for billions of years

    This post was edited by europhilz on 7/1/2012 at 9:29 PM

    europhilz

  • After the cold winter two years ago it's called climate change.

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • europhilz said...

    What is the extent of the impact of human activity?

    What would the average global temps be if it weren't for human activity?

    If you can't answer those, and not guesstimates, then I'll continue to believe that it is minimal and that this isn't even a bump on the overall picture of global temps for billions of years

    I'm sure the 97-98 percent of published climatology PhDs who agree with me can answer that better than I.

    Seriously, how can you know there is a scientific consensus and just completely ignore it?

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 7/1/2012 at 9:50 PM

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  • El Guapo said...

    After the cold winter two years ago it's called climate change.

    No, its called Climate change because global warming has other consquences besides just rising temperatures.

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  • Can someone provide a link to a peer reviewed study that asserts that human activity has had no impact on the Earth climate, and that changes have been only from natural causes?Until someone can do that, it is a bullshit argument.

    Just because you can ask some unanswerable questions about the consensus scientific opinion, doesn't mean your opinion is somehow valid.

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  • joetheogre said...

    I'm sure the 97-98 percent of published climatology PhDs who agree with me can answer that better than I.

    Seriously, how can you know there is a scientific consensus and just completely ignore it?

    Bc they can't give concrete evidence as to how much impact human activity is having. I'm sure there's an impact, but if you can't look at the 2+ billion years worth of fluctuation in temps on this earth and not see that the impact could very well be extremely minimal.

    If you can't provide hard evidence as to the amount of impact, I'll lean on 2+ billion years worth of evidence. Scientist once said the earth was flat. But, I'm sure you'd have called anyone that disagreed with them as a bullshit stance.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by europhilz on 7/1/2012 at 10:27 PM

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  • I think it's hilarious -

    warmer temps - global warming
    Colder temps - global warming
    Snow if Fla - global warming
    Heat wave in NY - global warming
    Excessive rain - global warming
    Droughts - global warming
    High # of hurricanes - global warming
    Low # of hurricanes - global warming
    Etc, etc, etc.

    This post was edited by europhilz on 7/1/2012 at 10:15 PM

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  • europhilz said...

    Bc they can't give concrete evidence as to how much impact human activity is having. I'm sure there's an impact, but if you can't look at the 2+ billion years worth of fluctuation in temps on this earth and not see that the impact could very well be extremely minimal.

    If you can't provide hard evidence as to the amount of impact, I'll lean on 2+ billion years worth of evidence. Scientist once said the earth was flat. But, I'm sure you'd have called their stance a bullshit stance.

    No scientist has proof that supports your claim. Many and more support mine. The verdict is in so the speak, the only thing left to decide is the sentencing.

    FWIW, there hasn't essentially never been scientific consensus for the flat earth theory. People have known about a curved or sphereical earth since the ancient Greeks. That whole line was something spread by protestants in the 1800s to discredit Catholics as backwards, and then adopted by atheists to discredit Christians.

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  • According to historian Jeffrey Russell, "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat,"

    Myth of the Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

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  • joetheogre said...

    No scientist has proof that supports your claim. Many and more support mine. The verdict is in so the speak, the only thing left to decide is the sentencing.

    FWIW, there hasn't essentially never been scientific consensus for the flat earth theory. People have known about a curved or sphereical earth since the ancient Greeks. That whole line was something spread by protestants in the 1800s to discredit Catholics as backwards, and then adopted by atheists to discredit Christians.

    There's no scientific evidence that temps have always fluctuated and that the current rise isn't even noticeable on the overall graph?

    Or, are you saying there is, in fact, hard evidence that human impact is measurable? If so, please, do share.

    europhilz

  • europhilz said...

    There's no scientific evidence that temps have always fluctuated and that the current rise isn't even noticeable on the overall graph?

    Or, are you saying there is, in fact, hard evidence that human impact is measurable? If so, please, do share.

    According to the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report by the IPCC, during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 1.1 to 2.9 °C (2 to 5.2 °F) for their lowest emissions scenario and 2.4 to 6.4 °C (4.3 to 11.5 °F) for their highest The ranges of these estimates arise from the use of models with differing sensitivity to greenhouse gas concentrations.

    This would be by far the highest temperature change in the hundred year period in the tens of thousands of years that we have relatively reliable temperature information. You can read their methodology as to how they project CO2 output, but even at current CO2 levels, the temperature would still rise significantly.

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 7/1/2012 at 10:52 PM

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