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  • 81 Alumnus said...

    So when I ASK if Obama's skin color and name have anything to do with reactions to his policies, I'm responsible for politics getting banned.

    But when the poster comes back(and you conveniently fail to quote) and SAYS I HAVE to be angry, young, black man(I'm one of the four, a man) to post as I do, you say nothing.

    Very amusing.

    just read a clip on the at&t homepage where some boston red sox player was doing a rehab stint in new hampshire, he apparently was called some racial slur

    one of the comments from the locals was something to the effect that the player should just shut up....that by talking about racism he perpetuates racism

    in much the same way the jews were asking for it from the nazis. if you just ignore racism it doesnt exist, other than reverse racism

    so, by being called...i guess the n word, by graciously not going off too much about it, treating it with humor, the guy was a racist..the black player i mean

    the reverse racism crowd owe a lot to the nazis. a lie backed up by hate towards an oppressed minority becomes the proof of how bad those minorities were

    the perversion and prostitution of language and discussion continues apace

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • Aaron Burr Cock said...

    just read a clip on the at&t homepage where some boston red sox player was doing a rehab stint in new hampshire, he apparently was called some racial slur

    one of the comments from the locals was something to the effect that the player should just shut up....that by talking about racism he perpetuates racism

    in much the same way the jews were asking for it from the nazis. if you just ignore racism it doesnt exist, other than reverse racism

    so, by being called...i guess the n word, by graciously not going off too much about it, treating it with humor, the guy was a racist..the black player i mean

    the reverse racism crowd owe a lot to the nazis. a lie backed up by hate towards an oppressed minority becomes the proof of how bad those minorities were

    the perversion and prostitution of language and discussion continues apace

    Race is a sensitive subject to many people, and I've never known anyone(of any color) who hasn't had a racist thought or two in his day, myself included. Never really liked the term "reverse racism" myself. To me racism is racism.

    Back to my second point. Ronald Reagan started his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Miss., where Schwerner, Goodman and Cheney were killed and made a speech filled with statements about "states rights," a dog whistle if ever there was one to that's state's segregationists. He also loved to talk politically about "welfare queens driving Cadillacs." That said, a honest look at the Gipper's life on the whole would bring an assessment that he was by no means racist. There's not a shred of evidence that he ever treated an individual differently based on the color of their skin in his life.

    Look at Dick Nixon. He designed the "Southern Strategy" that Reagan was mimicking that used terms like "law and order" and "states rights" as code words for allowing brutal discrimination. He also was single handedly responsible for the Philadelphia Plan that was the beginning of Affirmative Action. And his creation of "block grants" took federal money that was being sent to states and often tied up by conservative legislatures and put it directly in the hands of mayors of cities with large minority populations. If Nixon was a racist on the whole, blacks in America in the 1970's could have used more racists.

    Over on the main board, I've gotta guy on me for contending that wanting Ray Tanner as AD instead of Charles Waddell has nothing to do with either's skin color. Over here I'm Che Guevara. Thinking for yourself has it's hazards.

    Rambling post, but anyway it's a complicated subject that I think is better off being discussed rather than swept under the rug.

    As an aside, I personally think most of the nutty vitriol thrown at Obama isn't racially motivated. As I recall, a lot of the garbage thrown at Clinton and Hillary was just as off the wall. As I read history, JFK and FDR received much of the same. And none of them were black.

    There are just a lot of kooky Republicans.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by 81 Alumnus on 7/6/2012 at 2:52 PM

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  • 81 Alumnus said...

    Clinton didn't leave behind a recession.

    According to the National Bureau of Economic Research( www.nber.org ), the longest economic expansion in US history ended three months AFTER Cinton left office and lasted six months. Again, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, it was the single mildest and shortest in the 230 years for which the NBER has statistics. Obama took office in the midst of the longest and deepest recession since the 30's, measured by loss of GDP, 50 times worse than the one that occurred in 2001

    As far at the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae debacle, not quite sure why it was more the responsibility of the Dems who controlled Congress for 18 months prior to the housing collapse than the GOP who controlled Congress for the preceding fourteen years.

    What the Dems and Clinton deserve blame for is the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the depression era reform by FDR that kept separate commercial banks and investment banks, in 1998. It was repealed by the GOP Congress and signed into law by Clinton. Most Dems voted against it, but as GOP senators have shown over the last three years, one Senator can stop anything if he wants to.

    Problem is allowing investment bankers to gamble trillions of dollars of depositors money on shady schemes knowing the taxpayers, in the form of the FDIC, will step in and bail them out is the GOP's idea of capitalism, so they can't give Clinton the blame he deserves.

    So y'all have to make up other stuff.

    Oh yeah one more thing. If Georgie boy had bothered to read the President's Daily Intelligence Briefing of August 6, 2001 he have known Richard Clarke was warning him 9/11 was coming. But as he told Clarke that morning "Ok, you've covered your ass, I want to talk about Iraq"

    If you are going to blame the GOP for not acting on Fannie and Freddie, shouldn't you also give them credit for the budget surplus.

    theyear2001

  • maxcy124sc90 said...

    This is why politics got banned on this site and probably will again. Ludicrous.

    Exactly.

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    "Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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  • theyear2001 said...

    If you are going to blame the GOP for not acting on Fannie and Freddie, shouldn't you also give them credit for the budget surplus.

    Uhmmm.......what budget surplus?

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  • 81 Alumnus said...

    Good quote. I frequently change the subject when I'm losing an argument too.

    Doesn't change the fact that no one disputes that this is true. That's the big difference between this and birthirism.

    Downvote was a little immature, don't you think?

    BTW, were you outraged at what Bush did with your money? He's the one who increased the federal non-defense workforce at a higher rate than LBJ, while Obama has cut it, bailed out the banks and AIG(yes, I know Obama voted for them in the Senate), took the budget from a $250 billion surplus to a $1.3 trillion deficit, ran two wars "off budget" all on our kid's credit cards, raised the national debt 90%(Obama 43%), and added the most massive new entitlement since the 1960's, the Medicare Drug Program with NO mechanism to pay for it except again our kid's credit card.

    Or is it just when black Dems with muslim sounding names do it that you get outraged?

    The one you mention here.

    theyear2001

  • theyear2001 said...

    The one you mention here.

    As you can see at www.cbo.gov/ the explosion in federal revenue began with the Clinton tax increase of 1993, passed without a single Republican vote in the House or Senate. Contrary to the collapse the GOP said would happen, in 1994 the first full fiscal year after the tax increase federal revenues grew by over $100 billion, the largest increase ever in federal revenues up to that time, and only the second increase in federal revenues in the preceding six years. As you can see at the CBO's site, by 1998 the federal budget was in surplus for the first time since LBJ was president.

    They continued to grow until the Bush and the GOP congress's 2001 tax cut, which led to reduced federal revenues, and along with Bush and the GOP Congress's spending spree brought us from record surpluses to record deficits.

    Go to the site, it's all there. Don't take my word for anything.

    As far as your original question, mathematically, they don't deserve much credit because they fought the driver tooth and nail. Anecdotally, having lived through it, I would give the GOP congress some credit for things they worked with Clinton on, especially after the 1995-96 government shutdowns taught them that just fighting anything Clinton wanted was a losing proposition with the public. But, that's me bending over backward to be fair.

    If you are just dying to give a Republican some credit for the surpluses, I would suggest Bush 41 who ended the Cold War and enabled the reduction in growth in defense expenditures during the nineties.

    This post was edited by 81 Alumnus on 7/6/2012 at 7:37 PM

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  • Yep it's awful he has done well for himself. Awful he has donated tens of millions of dollars and his 15% each year compared to Biddens $300. Its different rules for republicans. John Kerry's wealth was never an issue. The John Kerry who bought and stored his yacht in a different state to save 20K in taxes.

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • El Guapo said...

    Yep it's awful he has done well for himself. Awful he has donated tens of millions of dollars and his 15% each year compared to Biddens $300. Its different rules for republicans. John Kerry's wealth was never an issue. The John Kerry who bought and stored his yacht in a different state to save 20K in taxes.

    John Kerry's wealth was made a huge issue in 2004. Don't lie.

    Also, can you imagine the hue and cry if Kerry had anything to do with a company that closed American plants ahd shipped the jobs to a communist country?

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  • 81 Alumnus said...

    John Kerry's wealth was made a huge issue in 2004. Don't lie.

    Also, can you imagine the hue and cry if Kerry had anything to do with a company that closed American plants ahd shipped the jobs to a communist country?

    How about if Kerry was a socialist. It would be crazy.,

    "People always ask me if I wish I were bigger. I tell them no. I always wanted to be a miniature badass." Dustin Pedroia

    El Guapo

  • 81 Alumnus said...

    John Kerry's wealth was made a huge issue in 2004. Don't lie.

    Also, can you imagine the hue and cry if Kerry had anything to do with a company that closed American plants ahd shipped the jobs to a communist country?

    I could be wrong but didn't Ford motors shut down plants in America and open some up in China.

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    I could be wrong but didn't Ford motors shut down plants in America and open some up in China.

    Could be.

    Is John Kerry, the secret illegitimate heir to Henry Ford? Otherwise, I'm not sure it has any relevance to this point.

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  • El Guapo said...

    How about if Kerry was a socialist. It would be crazy.,

    Kerry was called a socialist of course. Imagine what he would have been called by the very people now defending Willard, had he personally shipped jobs to a communist nation.

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  • johnhunt said...

    I could be wrong but didn't Ford motors shut down plants in America and open some up in China.

    ford also was supportive of the nazis. henry was big on the protocols of the elders of zion.

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • Aaron Burr Cock said...

    ford also was supportive of the nazis. henry was big on the protocols of the elders of zion.

    American progressives have historically been closely associated with the politics, economies and societies of the extreme left; communists, national socialists, democratic socialists, and maoists.

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    American progressives have historically been closely associated with the politics, economies and societies of the extreme left; communists, national socialists, democratic socialists, and maoists.

    National Socialists were part of the extreme right.

    It was an American Progressive who outflanked the isolationist, pro-German American right to lead us to putting the national socialists in the dustbin of history.

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  • johnhunt said...

    American progressives have historically been closely associated with the politics, economies and societies of the extreme left; communists, national socialists, democratic socialists, and maoists.

    i am currently reading a diary of a german jew, the nazis in the 1933-34 period liked to refer to their enemies as being "liberalistic" as well as in the vein of marxism.

    in truth, the national socialists in germany did not really care so much about ideology as much as it flourished on resentment and hate. it took measures that could as well be described as socialistic at times, as well as fascistic. hitler wanted power & he hated the jews above all else. petty characterizations of left & right are almost meaningless in the face of those folks

    klemperer is the name of the diarist, one of his relatives was somewhat famous but the story is just numbingly awful.

    the thirst for "law & order" and the need to get rid of social deviants like homos & easy women and gypsies, etc....its not a matter of left versus right insofar as the nazis are concerned.

    they could hate russia then when hitler signed the pact, then they liked russia...except when they didnt. same with pact with poland. pact with devil no matter how you slice

    also, a newer book on dubbyas wars...they define him. the extermination camps define hitler

    Aaron Burr Cock

  • You refer of course to Victor Klemperer. His very famous family member was his cousin - world renowned conductor Otto Klempere.

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    You refer of course to Victor Klemperer. His very famous family member was his cousin - world renowned conductor Otto Klempere.

    Don't know him.

    But Werner Klemperer did a stand-up job as Colonel Klink in Hogan's Heroes.

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  • 81 Alumnus said...

    Don't know him.

    But Werner Klemperer did a stand-up job as Colonel Klink in Hogan's Heroes.

    excellent connection - Werner is Otto's son

    johnhunt

  • johnhunt said...

    excellent connection - Werner is Otto's son

    Hoooow-ghannnn! roflmao

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