The Barnyard

whenever someone uses the words birther, racist, homophobe, and sometimes hate monger in their post I realize they have no argument...like money in the bank

he promised you that extra 2.25 per hour to get elected.

file it under "amazing crap our pres gets away with."

that is a thick file

Joe, please don't make me explain the effects of raising the minimum wage and the government artificially establishing the value of an employee's labor. Please no.

I think the Repubs, by running Mcain / Palin, threw the election away to let Obama flounder, opening the door for a white horse return to save everyone.

Is my tin foil hat too tight?

yes IMO on the tin hat.

I took two econ classes. I was actually a business major for about 5 minutes. I know the macroeconomic theories behind it.

Still, a high minimum wage would benefit me greatly in the short term, and could potentially keep me from avoiding taking out a loan to get through grad school. For selfish reasons I would support it.

Minimum wages need to be raised periodically. Our last three presidents have done so. It needs to be increased to keep in line with inflation. For example the minimum wage in 1968 was the equivalent of 10 dollars today.

I'll give him credit for chutzpah. After his little thread was deleted and he had even conservatives asking him why he wouldn't just answer the simple question. "are you a birther,"

Determination while you're being humiiated. He has it in droves.

I was having a debate with John Hunt, where John voiced concern about the vailidity of Obama's birth certificate, Social Security Number and birth announcement in the Honolulu paper.

I, tongue in cheek, posed questions about a bunch of GOP candidates including Abe Lincoln.

Dutch30805 jumped in about John McCain. So I asked if he was a birther as John appears to at least be thinking about being.

Of course in the exchange I was asked if I was a truther. I'm not and I said so. No big deal.

That's the backstory.

you guys are going to make beautiful babies together.

My original point to John was that "birthers" are "good" for the Democratic Party, which is running a historically weak President for re-election with a historically bad economic situation. They benefit tremendously when Republicans go on and on about fake birth certificates and Social Security numbers instead of the lousy economy.

The lesson swing voters who like Obama personally but don't like the job he's done see is "Obama's not competent but the opposition is out of touch and appears nutty."

Oh well, the first lesson of politics is never interrupt your opponent when he's committing suicide, so I really oughta shut up instead of warning y'all.

For the sake of clarity - there were two issues in our discussions

The potential reelection of Obama as it relates to the right’s use of the “birther” issue

The lack of disclosure regarding the life of Obama

I offered no discussion on the former other than to say that he might be re-elected and that his governance was not the point of my comments. My exact comment was, … I have not made any comments positive or negative regarding his governance. He may prove to be the best president ever and he may win reelection…

My issue was specifically focused on the latter - how little we know about the man who is the most powerful leader in the world.

You are of the opinion my concern regarding this issue symbolically lends itself to the possible re-election of Obama –Possibly so, but again not the focus of my complaint.

My issue is solely based upon his lack of transparency and the sealing of all his historical records.

It’s not fruitful to revisit all the particulars of my concerns other than to say his birthplace is strictly anecdotal to my issue. I never said I didn’t believe he was born in Hawaii – in fact I said I’ve seen the evidence proffered and therefore I’m convinced by these facts of his birthplace.

However I am skeptical. My skepticism is based on his sealing all of his records – from his birth to his education records to his transcripts, his writings and papers, his passports. There is no public historical information regarding the most powerful man in the world.

Putting aside any political advantage this concern may have on the independent block of voters – on its surface, doesn’t that seem odd to you?

I don’t care if Dutch is or isn’t a birther my question to him was my attempt at “tongue-in-cheek humor…borrowing and playing on a quote from Homer Stokes , “Is you is or is you ain’t…”

you should cry about it.