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OT: Reports of a nuclear meltdown coming out of Japan

  • Trooperdel

    Aaron Burr Cock said... (original post)

    oh yes, big bear, we all believe your being a nuclear scientist, truly we do

    tell us about global warming when you have time on your busy schedule....we all know how busy nuke-e-lur scientists are

    jethro bodine lives yall

    Its really sad to watched a failed insurance salesman like yourself struggle, unable to deal with what a failure you are.

  • Trooperdel said... (original post)

    Its really sad to watched a failed insurance salesman like yourself struggle, unable to deal with what a failure you are.

    your hard on for me is duly noted lil boy.

    now, where is the nuck=u=lur scientist big bear? is he training to be a ninja today?

    now, go to work and make some money....i enjoy watching the rats race....and reading sports forums where slackers and losers pretend to be stuff they aint

  • Snoop Cock said... (original post)

    Blair, the only thing you are proving is that you have no clue what you're talking about. You just said above: "make-up water is for the closed end, not the open end." Its hard to continue to have a technical conversation on this subject with someone that doesn't even understand the basics of heat transfer. The closed loop absolutely does not require and should not require any make-up unless there is a problem causing a leak. (Thus 'closed' loop) The open end of the system is the side that requires make-up, because this is the only side where there is water loss that would need to be made up. Now I see where you may be confused regarding a once through system where a cooling pond or lake is utilized instead of a cooling tower, but in system where cooling towers are used there should be no confusion whatsoever. The water runs down the tower, is cooled via evaporation, and that water is constantly being made-up via a water source. If there was no make-up the open end would eventually run dry. My training isn't specific to nuclear systems but I have an awful lot of training and experience in water treatment and heat transfer systems in power plants, industrial plants, etc...where I've worked as a water technologist and sales mgr. for a treatment company for 15 years.

    You can find a pretty good write up of how this works here: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Industrial_cooling_tower.

    Cheers.

    snoop, you must forgive big bear, he has to get over to platinum plus for the free all you can eat buffett....but i know he keeps tabs with all the tvs there tuned into news channels, plus i understand that is where all the nuclear experts hang out to discuss radiation while they squander their last few dollars before payday on meth fueled strippers

    please, downvoters consider the entertainment value of the above, and take it please big bear in the gist in which it was intended no disrespect intended to meth strippers

  • A short essay from the update:

    Below I reproduce a short essay by Ted Rockwell. Dr Rockwell is a member of the National Academy of Engineering. His classical 1956 handbook, The Reactor Shielding Design Manual, was recently made available on-line and as a DVD, by the U.S. Department of Energy. Back in 2002 he was co-author on an article in Science journal, “Nuclear Power Plants and Their Fuel as Terrorist Targets“. It’s definitely worth reading as it’s highly relevant to the current situation — if you bear in mind that the ‘terrorist’ in this context was Mother Nature — and a brutal one at that.

    Ted’s short essay (Rod Adams has also reproduced this), given below, explains well what I meant by my earlier statement:

    What has this earthquake taught us? That it’s much, much riskier to choose to live next to the ocean than it is to live next to a nuclear power station.

    —————————-

    Fukushima: it’s not about radiation, it’s about tsunamis

    A lot of wrong lessons are being pushed on us, about the tragedy now unfolding in Japan. All the scare-talk about radiation is irrelevant. There will be no radiation public health catastrophe, regardless of how much reactor melting may occur. Radiation? Yes. Catastrophe? No.

    Life evolved on, and adapted to, a much more radioactive planet, Our current natural radiation levels—worldwide—are below optimum. Statements that there is no safe level of radiation are an affront to science and to common sense. The radiation situation should be no worse than from the Three Mile Island (TMI) incident, where ten to twenty tons of the nuclear reactor melted down, slumped to the bottom of the reactor vessel, and initiated the dreaded China Syndrome, where the reactor core melts and burns its way into the earth. On the computers and movie screens of people who make a living “predicting” disasters, TMI is an unprecedented catastrophe. In the real world, the molten mass froze when it hit the colder reactor vessel, and stopped its downward journey at five-eights of an inch through the five-inch thick vessel wall.

    And there was no harm to people or the environment. None.

    Yet in Japan, you have radiation zealots threatening to order people out of their homes, to wander, homeless and panic-stricken, through the battered countryside, to do what? All to avoid a radiation dose lower than what they would get from a ski trip.

    The important point for nuclear power is that some of the nuclear plants were swept with a wall of seawater that may have instantly converted a multi-billion dollar asset into a multi-billion dollar problem. That’s bad news. But it’s not unique to nuclear power. If Fukushima were a computer chip factory, would we consider abandoning the electronic industry because it was not tsunami-proof? It would be ironic if American nuclear power were phased out as unsafe, without having ever killed or injured a single member of the public, to be replaced by coal, gas and oil, proven killers of tens of thousands each year.

    Moreover, the extent and nature of the damage from seawater may be less than first implied. Rod Adams, a former nuclear submarine officer, who operated a nuclear power plant at sea for many years, says that inadvertent flooding of certain equipment with seawater was not uncommon. He includes electronics-laden missile tubes. “We flushed them out with fresh water,” he said. “Sometimes we had to replace insulation and other parts. But we could ultimately bring them back on line, working satisfactorily.”

    The lessons from Japan involve tsunamis, not radiation.

    ———————–

    Footnote – Some additional comments from Ted Rockwell, by email correspondence:

    I must admit that our Science articles did not give much attention attention to the small-volume containment plants, and we should do so after the information on Fukushima has come in. Our focus was on getting past the proving that scenarios that led to intolerable situations were tolerably improbable. This traditional approach is an essential but not sufficient part of plant design.

    My approach was to come in from the other side: To assume that the worst situation was one that led to some molten fuel, coupled with loss of containment integrity, and ask: what then? Does radioactivity get out in great enough quantities, into enough lungs? That’s essentially the TMI situation, and I concluded that it led to the TMI outcome: a disaster for the plant owner, but a wholly tolerable situation radiologically. We’re going to have to go back and apply a wider range of conditions to that analysis.

    But radiation must still be treated like any other variable, and not the ultimate injury. It should not outrank death by inhalation of coal particles, for example. The obsessive fascination with radiation as the worst possible danger leads to mass evacuation as the most conservative response. I don’t know any experienced disaster manager who agrees that mass evacuation is always a conservative response

    This post was edited by JDBCOCK 3 years ago

  • Good interview to put perspective on this.

  • BigBlairCock

    I don't recall saying I was a nuclear scientist.

    In fact, we don't employ nuclear scientists here.

    Or drunken failed insurance salesmen, for that matter.

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    Sometimes, in the course of human events, people get lit on fire.

  • BigBlairCock

    Aaron Burr Cock said... (original post)

    your hard on for me is duly noted lil boy.

    now, where is the nuck=u=lur scientist big bear? is he training to be a ninja today?

    now, go to work and make some money....i enjoy watching the rats race....and reading sports forums where slackers and losers pretend to be stuff they aint

    Sorry, I was busy working.

    You know, so the government can take part of my pay and send it to you, so that you can afford that next bottle of scotch.

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    Sometimes, in the course of human events, people get lit on fire.

  • 3pt0

    I'd like to nominate this for the HOF.

    Can I get a second and third?

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    follow me on twitter and instagram @palmettozia **** I'm not an insider, I just live here ****

  • mpcoan

    gococks31 said... (original post)

    I'd like to nominate this for the HOF.

    Can I get a second and third?

    You're a bit of an instigator, huh?

    ^^^ Perfect spot for a cabbage patch woot

  • 3pt0

    mpcoan said... (original post)

    You're a bit of an instigator, huh?

    ^^^ Perfect spot for a cabbage patch woot

    If you ever call me a gator again... I don't care what kind of gator.... we will have issues.

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  • mpcoan

    gococks31 said... (original post)

    If you ever call me a gator again... I don't care what kind of gator.... we will have issues.

    Easy there, Tiger thumbsup

  • mpcoan

    gococks31 said... (original post)

    If you ever call me a gator again... I don't care what kind of gator.... we will have issues.

    Doesn't like Gators
    Steve Spurrier gets a pass
    Tends to prefer Cocks

    panic

  • 3pt0

    What a gem of a thread.

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  • Trooperdel said... (original post)

    Its really sad to watched a failed insurance salesman like yourself struggle, unable to deal with what a failure you are.

    "...there are worse things in life than death. If you've ever spent an evening with an insurance salesman, you know what I'm talking about"

    from the film Love and Death by W. Allen