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cockengr said...
do they do that? I guess rules require a touch and thats all so they are going to do whatever it takes. powerlifting competitions they make you pause at the bottom/no bouncing...so that would be another way to do it but I think you start getting too complicated there with too many rules/judging/etc...
there is nothing inherently wrong with bouncing it if everyone is playing by the same rules I guess.
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HellRooster4 said...
Probably, but weight lifting is totally different than being fast and freakish. Anyone who trains long enough can bench 300, just a matter of time.
The same cannot be said for running a 4.6 forty or having a 40 inch vertical jump. Those are just God-given abilities.
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cofcfire83 said...
There is NO reason for the bar to touch your chest...puts too much stress on the shoulders and is a easy way to get a injury...a couple stacked pieces of 2x4s do the trick...you are probably right about having to touch though...I can see in time them adjusting
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cockengr said...
Some people can touch fine with no stress...shoulder stress is also largely dependent on the angle of your elbows (flared out vs. tucked)...flared out shoulders and touching chest definitely puts more stress on your shoulders...tucked elbows, pinching your shoulder blades with your back arched can reduce that also (how power lifters bench)...so it just depends on how you do it.
So I somewhat agree and disagree...if you can lower the bar to your chest and your shoulders don't bother you, more power to you...the fuller range of motion you can use without pain is great...but I don't think its necessary unless you are competing where touching the chest is necessary. just my humble opinion.
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97srad750 said...
I always bring it to my chest, but back when Arnold was doing his thing he didn't. He's a strong believer in what cofc is saying. For me it feels like I'm cheating if I don't bring it to my chest and lift it in a controlled manner.
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cockengr said...
In power lifting competitions they MUST touch their chest.
Most power lifters also arch their backs and pench their shoulder blades together and consider THAT to be proper form.
Just saying, there are two differing schools of thought on this.
check this link - must touch chest - these guys also teach arched back, etc...
http://powerliftingacademy.com/the-bench-press-exercise-guide/
or this link from the very popular stronglifts 5x5 strength training program
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-bench-press-with-proper-technique-avoid-shoulder-injuries/
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mrcjmann said...
That's not true at all. Benching 300 is a plateau that most weight lifters never reach in their career. That's why it's always been a "magic number" within weightlifting communities. If anyone could get there if they trained long enough then it wouldn't be such a big deal. I've seen guys lift consistently for 10-15 years and never hit 300 and then some guys can go without lifting for years and get right back in the gym and hit 300 within a month or even the first day back. There's a lot of factors that contribute to it but it's definitely not as easy or common as you make it sound.
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mrcjmann said...
I'm not gonna get into an argument with you because if you would just think about what you're saying then you would understand how crazy it sounds. It's just like saying that proper training can get anyone to squating 500 or throwing a baseball 90 mph. Everyone's body has different muscle makeup and different limits no matter how long or hard you train. That is unless of course you use some type of enhancements and then all bets are off. There's plenty of guys in this world that are between 5'3"-5'9" and 100-150lbs that will never reach 300 no matter what they do because their body just won't allow it. Then there's others that are over 6' and 200+lbs naturally that it takes no time to hit 300. Heck there's guys in the NFL that have never benched 300 and never will. Are you seriously trying to tell me that they don't get proper training?
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cofcfire83 said...
There is NO reason for the bar to touch your chest...puts too much stress on the shoulders and is a easy way to get a injury...a couple stacked pieces of 2x4s do the trick...you are probably right about having to touch though...I can see in time them adjusting
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97srad750 said...
That's just not true. Some people can only be so strong or so fast naturally and gym time won't change it. We have more then a handful of guys on the team that don't do 300, and that's under some of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the country.
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97srad750 said...
That's just not true. Some people can only be so strong or so fast naturally and gym time won't change it. We have more then a handful of guys on the team that don't do 300, and that's under some of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the country.
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joetheogre said...
That's because they aren't trying to have high bench presses. Being able to do 300 isn't an indication of athlieticism, and one rep maxes are something our staff stays away from as a rule. But if you eat 250+g of protein a day and go heavy on bench three times a week for 2-3 years just about anyone could get 300.
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