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Big10 commish Delaney goes off the deep end of class action suit

  • Big10 Commish, Jim Delaney, has said that

    "....... if the plaintiffs prevail in Ed O'Bannon vs. the NCAA. In a declaration filed last week in federal court in support of the NCAA's motion against class certification, Delany threatened that any outcome that results in athletes getting a piece of the schools' television revenue could force the schools of the Big Ten to de-emphasize athletics as the Ivy League's schools did decades ago.

    "...it has been my longstanding belief that The Big Ten's schools would forgo the revenues in those circumstances and instead take steps to downsize the scope, breadth and activity of their athletic programs," Delany wrote. "Several alternatives to a 'pay for play' model exist, such as the Division III model, which does not offer any athletics-based grants-in-aid, and, among others, a need-based financial model. These alternatives would, in my view, be more consistent with The Big Ten's philosophy that the educational and lifetime economic benefits associated with a university education are the appropriate quid pro quo for its student athletes." ..... "

    WOW!!! So if this lawsuit goes forward and the Big10 schools have to pay their college football players then they'll just stop playing college football with scholarship players all together. (Like anyone believes that the Big10 and their TV Network would actually do that, I'm sure Ohio State and Michigan both are lining up behind this proposal.)

    Interesting read on Sports Illustrated.

    Jim Delany: Big Ten could go to D-III if O'Bannon beats NCAA - College Football - Andy Staples - SI.com

    Commissioner Jim Delany: Big Ten would sooner de-emphasize athletics than pay players if O'Bannon plaintiffs beat NCAA.

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  • DarthVisor said...

    Big10 Commish, Jim Delaney, has said that

    "....... if the plaintiffs prevail in Ed O'Bannon vs. the NCAA. In a declaration filed last week in federal court in support of the NCAA's motion against class certification, Delany threatened that any outcome that results in athletes getting a piece of the schools' television revenue could force the schools of the Big Ten to de-emphasize athletics as the Ivy League's schools did decades ago.

    "...it has been my longstanding belief that The Big Ten's schools would forgo the revenues in those circumstances and instead take steps to downsize the scope, breadth and activity of their athletic programs," Delany wrote. "Several alternatives to a 'pay for play' model exist, such as the Division III model, which does not offer any athletics-based grants-in-aid, and, among others, a need-based financial model. These alternatives would, in my view, be more consistent with The Big Ten's philosophy that the educational and lifetime economic benefits associated with a university education are the appropriate quid pro quo for its student athletes." ..... "

    WOW!!! So if this lawsuit goes forward and the Big10 schools have to pay their college football players then they'll just stop playing college football with scholarship players all together. (Like anyone believes that the Big10 and their TV Network would actually do that, I'm sure Ohio State and Michigan both are lining up behind this proposal.)

    Interesting read on Sports Illustrated.

    Personally, I understand the argument. It isn't completely cut and dried, but if the athletes are taking a fair amount of the pie, where is the need for scholarships?

    Not saying it will or should happen, but the idea of a grant to someone who is making a good wage for playing sports seems antiquated to me. The schools are going to cut their bottom line if they are forced to deal with a loss of revenue.

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  • EarshotCock said...

    Personally, I understand the argument. It isn't completely cut and dried, but if the athletes are taking a fair amount of the pie, where is the need for scholarships?

    Not saying it will or should happen, but the idea of a grant to someone who is making a good wage for playing sports seems antiquated to me. The schools are going to cut their bottom line if they are forced to deal with a loss of revenue.

    Ricidulous. The bottom line would still be 8 digits annually.

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  • Rainmaker said...

    Ricidulous. The bottom line would still be 8 digits annually.

    Like I said, I don't think it should or will happen. Just saying there is an argument that could be made.

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  • Rainmaker said...

    Ricidulous. The bottom line would still be 8 digits annually.

    No it wouldn't. Not all athletic programs run profitable, in fact i believe over half of D1 athletic departments run in the red. Football is the cash cow that funds the other programs that operate at a loss. I'd venture to guess that if we went to paying athletes on top of schollies maybe 35-40 schools nationally could actually afford it.

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  • Let them. The SEC will just keep playing.

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  • Plyler38 said...

    No it wouldn't. Not all athletic programs run profitable, in fact i believe over half of D1 athletic departments run in the red. Football is the cash cow that funds the other programs that operate at a loss. I'd venture to guess that if we went to paying athletes on top of schollies maybe 35-40 schools nationally could actually afford it.

    Exactly and every time I hear somebody say that we should pay football players or basketball players because these programs are making so much money on the backs of these poor, downtrodden and exploited athletes I laugh. For starters, your scholarship, your books, your meals, your housing, your tutors, etc. is your payment.
    But beyond that, we're not just talking about paying football players...if that can of worms gets opened you have to pay EVERY athlete. The womens swim team, pay 'em. The mens golf team, pay 'em. I wonder how many total athletes we have at Carolina?? 250+ at least? Starts to add up if you're paying them all on top of their scholarships. Most schools could never, ever afford to do that.

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  • Title IX would create a problem as well. If you are paying 85 football players plus 12 basketball players, those women's soccer and softball players are going to get nice paydays.

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  • cockfool said...

    Exactly and every time I hear somebody say that we should pay football players or basketball players because these programs are making so much money on the backs of these poor, downtrodden and exploited athletes I laugh. For starters, your scholarship, your books, your meals, your housing, your tutors, etc. is your payment.

    Not to mention most football and basketball players receive substantial Pell Grants and other assistance that goes straight to them in the form of a check.

    They also receive 55 dollars a week in meal money (on top of the meal plan). They do alright. I've never met a players that bitched about the situation.

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  • DarthVisor said...

    Big10 Commish, Jim Delaney, has said that

    "....... if the plaintiffs prevail in Ed O'Bannon vs. the NCAA. In a declaration filed last week in federal court in support of the NCAA's motion against class certification, Delany threatened that any outcome that results in athletes getting a piece of the schools' television revenue could force the schools of the Big Ten to de-emphasize athletics as the Ivy League's schools did decades ago.

    "...it has been my longstanding belief that The Big Ten's schools would forgo the revenues in those circumstances and instead take steps to downsize the scope, breadth and activity of their athletic programs," Delany wrote. "Several alternatives to a 'pay for play' model exist, such as the Division III model, which does not offer any athletics-based grants-in-aid, and, among others, a need-based financial model. These alternatives would, in my view, be more consistent with The Big Ten's philosophy that the educational and lifetime economic benefits associated with a university education are the appropriate quid pro quo for its student athletes." ..... "

    WOW!!! So if this lawsuit goes forward and the Big10 schools have to pay their college football players then they'll just stop playing college football with scholarship players all together. (Like anyone believes that the Big10 and their TV Network would actually do that, I'm sure Ohio State and Michigan both are lining up behind this proposal.)

    Interesting read on Sports Illustrated.

    And some people get upset when commentators or current or former college players call the current setup a slave system. Jim Delaney has a slave system mentality. Period.

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  • His comments are pretty savvy and will give the court something to think about (although some would say it is bit like, if you rule against us we will take our ball and go home)........big time college sports provides 1000's of scholarships to athletes nationwide including football and basketball players specifically who might not (ie, low test scores, poor grades, or finances) have been able to attend college to begin with. While the powerhouse schools are making loads of cash under the current deal and athletes have an argument they should be entitled to it (see the Fab Five and how much Nike and Meeechigan profited off of them for example), the truth is these athletes are already receiving a major free benefit (a chance to attend a school they may not have gotten into for free with no student loans which are currently drowing the 22-32 year old work force).

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  • Don't forget that the schools are literally forced to plow much of the money back into the programs in the form of building new and upgraded facilities that the student-athletes want and demand, as well as uniforms, training, tutors, etc.

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  • swimcock said...

    Don't forget that the schools are literally forced to plow much of the money back into the programs in the form of building new and upgraded facilities that the student-athletes want and demand, as well as uniforms, training, tutors, etc.

    Demand? Is there a Union I'm not aware of?

    I love this. Now the recruits and students are at fault for the facilities arms race?

    The schools engage in and drive the arms race to attract better recruits (or to continue getting the best ones) so the athletic programs can generate more and more revenue, mainly through football and basketball, and the law then essentially required that money to be spread around.

    But make no mistake - the schools created the arms race and continue to drive it and now the players want a small piece of the bigger cake which they played a huge role in baking. Delaney's response cements that the conferences want the cake and to eat it too.

    I'm not saying college athletes have it bad but proportionately they get a very small piece of the pie.

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