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Christian Walker or Justin Smoak

  • Jefe` said...

    2 outs, bottom of the 9th, down by 1? I'll take Walker.

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  • I am not doubting, but can I have some examples of soak not coming through in the clutch?

    My memory is that our relief pitching blew game after game during his career.

    VBCock

  • If Smoak had Walker's pitching staff and defense up the middle, we might be talking about his national titles.

    See, you could make an argument for either all day.

    I think that indicates they were both great.

    I also love the myth that Smoak faded in the clutch. I went to many of those post season games and a couple of SR ones on the road. Smoak's production was far from the problem.

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  • o'spop said...

    .... No need to knock any player that played at USC in order to make an argument...

    agreed...didn't mean to stir and argue

    BritBrant

  • VBCock said...

    I am not doubting, but can I have some examples of soak not coming through in the clutch?

    My memory is that our relief pitching blew game after game during his career.

    He went 0-4 his last game in a regional against NC St, went 1-4 with no RBI's in the loss to the same team two games before in the regional. Went 1-5 in the season ending loss to UNC the season before, and 0-3 against them in the first loss to them in a super regional. He also went a combined 1-6 in the season ending losses to UGA with no RBI's in '06. This is not to say we did not win a LOT of games because of his production, or that he was not a clutch hitter. CW just has him beat in the memorable hits category, could be just the way it goes.
    He did have a two homer game in his second to last game against James Madison in a blowout. And, he went 0-4 in a loss to Arky in the SEC tourney that yr.

    But, it is not so much Smoak's lack of clutch hits as it is the big ones by Walker, especially with the game on the line, and when nobody is hitting for us. Against great pitchers, Walker seems to shine. Look at the at bat in the win over against Fla's closer. He quickly went down 0-2, and swung at a pitch in the dirt. He had figured him out after two pitches, though, and ended up walking. That was the best at bat I have ever seen.

    You cannot compare BA or HR because of the bats. There were always four or five guys hitting over .330 on our team in those days.

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  • sigmon fraud said...

    Discuss......Tia to those the follow closer than i do

    Do different hitters.......

    Walker is a natural hitter......great eye, patience at the plate and can go to all fields. Walks to strikeout ratio is always in the plus and he does not swing at bad pitches very often. Much better base runner than Smoak and a better glove.

    Smoak was the best power hitter we have ever had. In three seasons he hit more homers and had more RBI's than Walker will ever see. Some may make the argument about the bats but that is a mute point. Back then we played powerball. Smoak has the best swing and very few of his home runs were question marks. They would have gone out with wooden bats.

    Both will rank as all time greats.......different styles.

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  • That is hard. Smoak more power and much better on defense. CW big in clutch. Both great Gamecocks

    87uscfan

  • I wasn't going to chime in with an opinion because it's really impossible. There's no right or wrong answer. However, I truly believe Walker is a better all-around hitter than Smoak was in college. He's maybe the closest we've had to a Todd Helton type who is just hard to get out at any time. Smoak is one of the top 2 or 3 power hitters in our history and one of the best in college baseball history. His swing was a thing of beauty.

    Click on the link for Exhibit "A".

    Walker uses the entire field and has truly been the most clutch college hitter I've ever seen. However, Smoak was amazing in his own right.

    Smoak won't back down

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  • MCR said...

    I wasn't going to chime in with an opinion because it's really impossible. There's no right or wrong answer. However, I truly believe Walker is a better all-around hitter than Smoak was in college. He's maybe the closest we've had to a Todd Helton type who is just hard to get out at any time. Smoak is one of the top 2 or 3 power hitters in our history and one of the best in college baseball history. His swing was a thing of beauty.

    Click on the link for Exhibit "A".

    Walker uses the entire field and has truly been the most clutch college hitter I've ever seen. However, Smoak was amazing in his own right.

    Unreal bomb.. I've always wondered how far that went. I've never been to the stadium, so I don't know how far "clearing the Cajun cafe by plenty" is.

    gamecockguy12

  • CockAtLaw said...

    I get chills

    Doesn't Andy Demetra give everyone the chils

    johnhunt

  • veinycock said...

    Plus Walker didn't lead us to rings. It was a total team effort. Get your facts straight.

    Yeah, he did.

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  • Smoak is the all time HR leader here, twice as many HRs as walker, and had a much higher career OPS than Walkers best season. To top it off he was a first round pick. Walker is great but Smoak is one of the best SEC players ever. It wasn't that long ago I can't believe some can't remember back 5 years.

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  • El Guapo said...

    Smoak by a very large margin. He's the best player to put on a USC jersey. Unless Wade Boggs put one on back in the day.

    Smoak was phenomenal, bit rarely were his hits at critical, game changing moments. Walker has just seemed to get his hits at spectacular moments - and bunches of them at that. Ofcourse, Justin often got intentionally walked, which eliminated a lot of those big opportunities.

    ee3

  • ee3 said...

    Smoak was phenomenal, bit rarely were his hits at critical, game changing moments. Walker has just seemed to get his hits at spectacular moments - and bunches of them at that. Ofcourse, Justin often got intentionally walked, which eliminated a lot of those big opportunities.

    I agree!!

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    cocksteady

  • I think Smoak was more physically gifted and has a bigger upside, but I'll take Christian Walker, he just seems to have "it" when the game is on the line. Watching him is almost like watching Barry Bonds when he was at his best. You just knew that the pitcher didn't have a chance, if he threw something in the strike zone, it was all over, some guy in a kayak was getting a souvenir.

    But you can't go wrong with either, its like choosing between chocolate and vanilla, no wrong answer.

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  • sigmon fraud said...

    Discuss......Tia to those the follow closer than i do

    smoke is in the show so he made the adjustment from hot aluminum bats to wood. walkers power numbers have been on the decline it's moving to the bb cor bats. I think smoke was a better defensive first baseman as well. At the same time walker was a huge catalyst for back to back national championships.

    JICOCK21

  • VBCock said...

    I am not doubting, but can I have some examples of soak not coming through in the clutch?

    My memory is that our relief pitching blew game after game during his career.

    If Walker had not came through in the clutch so many times, we would be saying the same thing in a few years. But we won't be saying that. And for those talking about who is the better pro prospect, that has nothing to do with what they did here. Smoak=Ryan Succop.

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  • Walker is the most under appreciated player we have ever had here. He has been clutch since his arrival (think Coastal Carolina) and is 2 for 2 on national titles. His batting average with men in scoring position is something ridiculous.

    Walker is my choice.

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  • HellRooster4 said...

    Walker is the most under appreciated player we have ever had here. He has been clutch since his arrival (think Coastal Carolina) and is 2 for 2 on national titles. His batting average with men in scoring position is something ridiculous.

    Walker is my choice.

    I don't know about that. I think our fans are fully aware of his importance.

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  • sigmon fraud said...

    Discuss......Tia to those the follow closer than i do

    Smoak while one of my favorite all time players would come in 2nd for me. Smoak's ability to absolutlely maul a ball is legendary, and he hit for a darn solid average. I think he might have been a tick better in the field the CW too, but CW is no slouch. All that said CW has TWO RINGS and is a huge reason for those rings. He has been as clutch as one man can be IMO. Smoak seemed to lack that killer clutch bat. CW's run against UF with the broken HAMATE is the stuff legends get made of IMO. This is in no way to diminish what Smoak did while here, but CW would be my 1B if I couldn't DH one and put the other in field. CW just finds away to get it DONE! He might not hit the towering moon shots Smoak did, but he's also not playing on even turf in terms of bat technology either. I think CW has a little better speed on the paths too. It's been a real please as a fan to get to watch both of them a lot. The fact that we couldn't get to Omaha with Smoak, Reese, JD, PD, Travis Jones, and crew has got to be a huge sore spot for RT when he looks back at his career. CW #1 USC First basemen 1B is a tie with Smoak and Small (got to Omaha when fewer teams got in the post season and hit 48 hr's with wood bats), honorable mentions IMO. Peters/ Pearce,

    Both great players, but the tie breaker IMO is the RINGS and CW played in getting those rings.

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  • We won the NCs because of pitching and excellent defense. Not because of great hitting.

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  • BCMCock05 said...

    We won the NCs because of pitching and excellent defense. Not because of great hitting.

    Pitching and D were certainly the main stays of these past two Natty's, but you're over looking the clutch hitting and the fact that Smoak and crew played with different bats.

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  • SwanseaGCOCK said...

    Pitching and D were certainly the main stays of these past two Natty's, but you're over looking the clutch hitting and the fact that Smoak and crew played with different bats.

    Give both teams the same dead bats and you might find something different. Those teams were built for the 3 run bomb (IE. Coaches T and H have changed gears and know they have to mfg runs now. Simply a different era of baseball due to rules changes. Those guys swung for the fences with regularity. The guys now are better at hitting line drives because it's what the game requires.

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  • Delicious Tacos said...

    The bats used in 10 weren't so different from the bats used in 08

    They were similar you're correct, but as far back as the early 2000's they'd begun deadening the bats. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the CLUTCH hitting '10 and '11 had that those guys just did not. Down to the last strike in Omaha and comeback to win the whole thing. CW's bomb at the beach to send us to Omaha. CW's similar bomb last season to get past the blue puppies to return to Omaha. Smoak, JD, RH, and crew had clutch hits at time, but the guys in 10 and 11 just had something extra about them when it was all on the line. The bats going cold and the wheels coming off in the field in chapel hell has to be one of the most painful baseball games I've ever watched.

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  • You know what the best part is? We don't have to choose. They are both ours. Carry on...

    shaun13