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Connor Shaw's year

  • MrBigAl said...

    Andrew Luck. RGIII. Matt Barkley. Connor Shaw. Yep. He belongs.

    If it's necessary for you to torture the meaning of "elite" in order for Connor Shaw to fit the profile you're obviously free to do so. If it's not enough for you to recognize that Connor is a good, solid college QB who is talented enough to win in the SEC then by all means think of him as "elite."

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  • How about this...Connor Shaw will leave South Carolina with the highest winning percentage and most quality trophies, and titles, than any QB in Gamecock history? That's elite enough for me!

    maxcy124sc90

  • Conservatively (and assuming he stays healthy), let's say Shaw averages 200 ypg passing and ends the season with 2600 yds passing. Let's also say he averages 60 ypg rushing (averaged 58 ypg this year) so he finishes the season with 780 yds rushing. Based off of this year's numbers, let's say he throws for 20 or so TDs with about 6 INTs. Let's say he rushes for another 8 TDs next year.

    2600 passing yds, 20 TDs, 6 INTs
    780 rushing yds, 8 TDs

    That's very solid and will probably mean that we win 10+ games next year if we get that kind of production. I don't think it gets Connor into any Heisman discussions, but it should give him a winning percentage around .900 as a starter at USC. Win another 10+ games in his senior year and he should be breaking some records at USC. I don't know who has the record, but I'm pretty sure 30 or more wins as a starting QB would be a record.

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  • MrBigAl said...

    Andrew Luck. RGIII. Matt Barkley. Connor Shaw. Yep. He belongs.

    If it's necessary for you to torture the meaning of "elite" in order for Connor Shaw to fit the profile you're obviously free to do so. If it's not enough for you to recognize that Connor is a good, solid college QB who is talented enough to win in the SEC then by all means think of him as "elite."

    Actually "elite" was the word you chose.

    I'm just going with what a hall of fame coach with 20+ years experience thinks instead of what you think,
    and I do indeed feel very free to think it.

    The OP was making early career comparisons to make the point about potential, and even stated Conner may not end up as good. You took it from there to the "elite" argument.
    You should have just left it alone instead of backing yourself into a corner of having to defend you own misguided interpretation of the OP, and let him and the rest of us enjoy the interesting stats that he took the time to put together.

    This post was edited by 77 Gamecock on 1/4/2012 at 10:51 AM

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  • 77 Gamecock said...

    Actually "elite" was the word you chose.

    I'm just going with what a hall of fame coach with 20+ years experience thinks instead of what you think, and I do indeed feel very free to think it.

    The OP was making early career comparisons to make the point about potential, and even stated Conner may not end up as good. You took it from there to the "elite" argument. You should have just left it alone instead of backing yourself into a corner of having to defend you own misguided interpretation of the OP, and let him and the rest of us enjoy the interesting stats that he took the time to put together.

    "Elite" was the word used in a previous thread in which the OP posted.

    I'm not in a corner. I'm very comfortable in stating that Connor Shaw is not an elite QB. He wasn't an elite QB when we signed him and he's not an elite QB now.

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  • MrBigAl said...

    "Elite" was the word used in a previous thread in which the OP posted.

    I'm not in a corner. I'm very comfortable in stating that Connor Shaw is not an elite QB. He wasn't an elite QB when we signed him and he's not an elite QB now.

    Serious question, Al. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying you aren't a Tater. What does Connor have to do, stat-wise or win-wise, to be considered elite? What does any QB have to do to be considered elite? Just curious of what your definition is.

    juice521 ●

  • usc94grad said...

    Al,

    You are stuck in another thread, this was only a comparison of where Connor's first year stacked up with "elite" players this year and a look toward what the future could hold with development of him and his supporting cast. I know you really don't care for Spurrier, but he has said that he felt Connor could develop into a Heisman candidate.

    I am not saying that he is a savior, that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or even that he is elite right now. I am say he has a very good chance as long as he stays healthy and continues to work to be elite.

    Okay. I think both of us are quite happy with his development thus far.

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  • juice521 said...

    Serious question, Al. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying you aren't a Tater. What does Connor have to do, stat-wise or win-wise, to be considered elite? What does any QB have to do to be considered elite? Just curious of what your definition is.

    "Elite" means among the very best at your position. The top 4 or 5 QBs in college football. It has nothing to do with wins or losses. It's a combination of natural talent, accuracy, stats, leadership, play-making ability and pro potential.

    Who deserves the label of an elite player? Marcus Lattimore is an elite RB. Melvin Ingram is an elite DE. Alshon Jeffrey is an elite WR. Eric Norwood was an elite LB.

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  • MrBigAl said...

    "Elite" means among the very best at your position. The top 4 or 5 QBs in college football. It has nothing to do with wins or losses. It's a combination of natural talent, accuracy, stats, leadership, play-making ability and pro potential.

    Who deserves the label of an elite player? Marcus Lattimore is an elite RB. Melvin Ingram is an elite DE. Alshon Jeffrey is an elite WR. Eric Norwood was an elite LB.

    Thanks. This is my definition of elite, too. While you may have some attacking you, I've got to say that I'm in agreement with you.

    Connor has had an amazing year and if he continues to play the way he did vs CU and NU, then he will be an elite QB sooner than later.

    juice521 ●

  • MrBigAl said...

    "Elite" means among the very best at your position. The top 4 or 5 QBs in college football. It has nothing to do with wins or losses. It's a combination of natural talent, accuracy, stats, leadership, play-making ability and pro potential.

    Who deserves the label of an elite player? Marcus Lattimore is an elite RB. Melvin Ingram is an elite DE. Alshon Jeffrey is an elite WR. Eric Norwood was an elite LB.

    I agree with that and i think you just took the original message and interpreted it here. All I was trying to do was generate discussion about development cycles for a QB. If he comes out and throws for 3800 yds 28 TDs and 6 INTS then I am sure you would have no problem removing potential and proclaiming him as elite. cool

    I think he just will put in the work and has some God given talent to throw football, see the field and run pretty darn fast.

    usc94grad

  • I think everyone also needs to take into account that this is Shaw's sophomore year and all those other guys played as freshmen, RG3 and Barkley as True Freshmen. So those guys I would say did work their first year. I think Shaw had one hell of a season and I wouldn't trade him for anyone, and yes, his numbers do compare to those other guys'... so yes this is a legit thread... Is he elite? No. Will he be? Hopefully!

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