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Much like many of you probably, I've neer really paid much attention to KSU in regards to football recruiting. We rarely if ever battle for recruits, they aren't in our conference ad they aren't Clemson...therefore I dont really follow them. That said, I assumed based on their recent success that they must do a pretty good job battling the Texas's and Oklahoma's of the world for players in that region. Boy was I wrong!
After a conversation with a fellow TBS member, we looked up their team recruiting rankings (via TOS), and I was shocked at how poorly they recruit! Looking at the past 4 classes...
That comes to an avg of 70th nationally on the last 4 recruiting cycles....well below everyone in the SEC, not to mention local lower tier teams like ECU, UCF, Southern Miss, etc.
How in the world do they do it?!?! If our last 4 classes had averaged out to be 70th nationally, we would be fortunate to go 6-6 in the SEC!
Is Bill Snyder "that" good of a coach? Its just incredible to me that they are #1 now that I've looked at their talent level based on recruiting rankings...
Only thing I know is that they recruit a lot of Junior College players. They are not usually ranked as highly as high school kids.
I think its pretty clear they make good talent evaluations for their system and have solid coaches. Rankings dont mean everything. You have to be able to coach the talent once you get it. KState hit the jack pot with Klein.
Go! Fight! Win! Kick Ass!
They woyld be 9-3 against our schedule.
George Strait-Entertainer of a Lifetime
One of rare cases where relying on a bunch of JUCOs paid off.
dangerous quick fix recruting tactic... but give credit to Snyder for making it work.
I certainly wouldn't subscribe to it however
KSU doesnt need the depth that an SEC team does
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Bom274 17 months ago
I would say they are recruiting pretty good.
If that. And wait until Klein leaves. They'll be back to mediocre.
You can't see! I can't see! All that matters is can the f*&%ing horse see! That's a raid!
Look at who they play. the same is true with Boise State. They recruit the leftovers then run a system to near perfection.
Elliott "Small" Fry
Do you honestly think they are recruiting well? I realize rankings aren't everything, but 70th nationally is pretty low.
It seems to me that what they are doing well, incredibly well even, is evaluating middle-tier kids and finding the ones they feel fit their system, then coaching them up to play within that system. I had forgotten about their emphasis on JUCO guys, so that makes sense as well. However, like several posters have mentioned, I they're also able to be positioned where they are based on schedule strength and a perceived lack of depth needed to navigate that schedule.
I agree that they would probably be 9-3 or so vs our schedule or another SEC schedule, but either way i think Snyder and his staff deserve a huge amount of credit for getting the most out of their kids...awesome coaching job
I agree with most of what this article is saying. Everyone likes to talk about the risk of JUCO's, but I think if you put in the due diligence and have a good system in place that jucos are untapped gold mines. An interesting point in the article about coaches wanted to make a big splash in the recruiting rankings and this is becoming a bigger and bigger deal for head coaches. Fans see high recruiting rankings and will forgive a coach's misgivings during the season if the recruiting rankings are high.
FYI...Javon Bell is mentioned in the article.
One other note....KSU's best defender is a 5 star transfer LB from Miami which they never got credit for recruiting. That doesn't change rankings much but worth noting
Junior college transfers—also known by their acronym JUCOs —are the bread and butter of Bill Snyder football...
This post was edited by kumarcock 17 months ago
The rug really tied the room together, did it not?
The object is to win games. You get there by evaluating, recruiting, and then coaching. I would say they are doing all 3 well. If you throw in the fact that Manhattan, Kansas is not the easiest place to recruit to and that the state of Kansas does not produce a ton of football talent, then I would say they are doing extremely well. The recruiting rankings may not say it but the product that they put on the field does.
He's had top 5-10 teams his whole career, and will after Klein leaves.
To answer the OP: Bill Snyder is the best coach in CFB. KSU is worse historically than we are, much worse, actually. He left for a couple of years, and they went back to a two win team immediately. Started winning immediately when he came back. It is remarkable.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
Snyder is Houdini,Gandalf, and Superman all wrapped up in one.He is the best evaluator in the country of a different talent pool where few coaches even investigate, juco. As long as he is there I bet their on the field success doesn't fall one bit, Klein or no Klein. There was a thread earlier about this that stated he had 39 jucos on the current team. One of the biggies about this type of recruiting is that most of these kids are ready to play now. Most are 20-22 years old and physically ready to battle, or have 3 years to play 2 at worst.
This season proves, just like Stanford with Luck and Auburn with Newton, that a good team can become a great team with the right quarterback at the helm. Klein is the difference between an undefeated team competing for a national title and a truly special season and just a good team that finishes 8-4 or 9-3 and recalls the season fondly after it ends. Snyder is a brilliant coach but he got lucky with Klein. Imagine if we'd had a guy like Luck, Newton, Tebow, or RG3 last year with our talent.
This post was edited by MCR 17 months ago
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