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Your last statement couldn't be more true. The schedules have nothing to do with the outcome. No one is saying that. They're saying clemson appears much better than they are because of the schedule they play. Imagine if we played the equivalent of ECU 3 or 4 times in conference. Everyone would think our offense was better than it was although its the same offense.
As usual, non-committal on all things clemson so you don't come back looking stupid. Go ahead and tell us how you really feel about clemson. No way you're a Clemson fan who doesn't think your offense is near unstoppable.
I don't know how I feel about Clemson. I don't even know if anyone has a feel for how good or bad this Clemson team is. Like mentioned above...our schedule has been so weak, it is impossible to gauge.
We've blown out most teams we've played this season, and covered the spread vs every BCS team we've played.
We looked solid vs FSU for 2.5 quarters, but then had 4 or so possessions where we went 3 and out and a INT.
If that is sincere, then I don't know any Clemson fans like you.
You looked like world beaters vs UGA.
Got dominated by LSU.
Shot yourselves in foot countless times vs UF.
Came out tired-flat vs Tenn.
Played so-so at UK and at Vandy.
I do think yall have without question best suited defense to stop us due to your DE's and the front 4's pass rush. Think FSU might be a little better on the back 7, but from a rushing the passer perspective, yall present us our biggest challenge.
I think we were the first game LSU started to get it together. So i dont think getting dominated at death valley at night is too telling, considering we were a terrible interception away from maybe walking out with a win. They finally started using the freshman Hill and mett remembered how to throw a forward pass. I think LSU is the best team in the country right now. Everything is accurate, just don't think that one means much.
I agree it's really hard to gauge Clemson. Obviously they are good, but I haven't a clue as to how good. The stars seem to be aligning in your favor. You all have been as healthy as any team in the country - first night game in forever - early line has you favored - only game you've had to really worry about in weeks - coaching staff been peaking at film for last 11 months - we've been poor on the road - Dabo HAS to win as he's already written the check.
I think this is a pretty accurate summary.
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First, I think schedules do have something to do with this game. We've been playing vastly superior teams than they have all year. That experience is not going to just vanish when we step on the field up there. Our guys are used to playing in big time games against grade A talent. They are used to playing Wake and Duke in front of 30,000 people. One example, Clowney is used to trying to beat SEC tackles and has 9.5 sacks. Clemson's tackles are used to blocking Duke, Wake and Maryland's DE's. you think that Clowney will look the same coming off the ball to Clem's tackles? It does affect our game.
Second, we did not get "dominated" at LSU. We lost by 2 points in arguably the thoughest place to play college football on earth, at night. Statistically they beat us but you don't get "dominated" in any game you lose by 2 points. We "dominated" Georgia.
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All I know is that if we played that schedule, Shaw would be a frontrunner for the heisman, and we would be considered an offensive juggernaut.
Who knows how good clempsun is. One thing that is going to factor against them is that because they have not played good teams, they are going to be in shock for the first part of the game when they see actual athletes playing hard, and in a well coached scheme. FSU has athletes, but are one of the worst coached teams in the country.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Notice I didn't say yall got dominated at UF, though did at LSU.
LSU ran for 250 to 34
415 yards to 205 yards?
And 60 or 70 of yalls 205 came on the last drive with them in prevent up 2 scores. I consider that getting dominated despite the score not reflecting the way the game played out.
Enough pressure will bust a pipe.
They weren't in prevent. LSU continued to rush the passer and mix things up. And although I understand your point, you still don't get dominated and lose by 2. You get dominated when you lose by 33, regardless of whether or not you gained more than them. USC found a way to stay in that game and until LSU's 17 yard FG drive after interception with less than 10 minutes left, Carolina was in the lead. LSU did absolutely run it down our throats and we didn't rush worth anything. Of course, they did rush it 53 times too. That's when they had the legs to make that last TD run (that 50 yard dive play) just before the one by USC that you mentioned. But stats don't matter for anything if you come up with the big plays to pull a win out of your butt, which is what we were trying to do. If it had worked, we'd have come out smelling like roses and you can bet that there would be credit coming for "managing the game" with timely big plays.
In the end, running between the 20's means little to nothing unless you wear a team down (like Florida did to LSU and LSU did to us) and can own them in the fourth quarter. You win by 1 but are outgained 500 to 200 yards, you're still the one credited with the W. Or you outgain a team by 8 and lose by 33 points, you still take the L. Big margin, little margin, it matters little at this point, IMO.
Same two teams minus two of our top tacklers and there two top tacklers. I know they are confident but it is false bravado. I contend we are better on both LOS!! You cant spell lose without LOS!!!!
Were you one of the many Clemson fans that claimed "SC didn't dominate us" after last year's game?
No one will be "shocked", that is a stupid thing to say. They have athletes. I do agree on FSU being terribly coached though
I agreed with you on the stats. So if we lost at LSU by say 21 and the stats looked like that I guess you'd have to invent a new word to describe it since "dominated" fits a two point loss on the road in your vocabulary?
Now, I'd agree with you if you said that Clemson got "dominated" by FSU, the only decent team you've played, since it wasn't close, Clemson gave up 49 points and 667 yards of offense. 667!?! That's dominant.
Were you one of the 99 out of 100 members on here that said yall'd beat UF?
Exactly. Wtf does your question have to do with the current discussion?
To answer if though...of course yall dominated us last year. The last 2 times at Willy B we've gotten absolutely dominated.
I could see where one would say we got dominated in Tally.
My only counter, would be we led at half, were 2 scores up in 2nd H, and while the difference in our yards vs there's was a little more than LSU vs Yall...the percentage wasn't nearly as large.
Regardless the only thing that matters is the score, and without question we were dominated on that aspect vs FSU. But getting outgained by 200...and outscored 35-14 or whatever in 2nd H was a beat down.
Since "the only thing that matters is the score" thanks for making my point on our 2 point loss...twice. Ya'll led early in the 2nd half....we led in the 4th quarter. Not many teams that lead a game in the 4th quarter got "dominated". And on your yardage point, even though only the score matters, ya'll had 60% of FSU's yards and we had 50% of LSU's...that's not a real big difference there Woody.
Just a question Woody, no need to get all bent out of shape. I've heard a lot of Clemson fans state that SC didn't dominate them last year despite the stats and scoreboard. You brought up stats from the LSU domination so naturally I wanted to see if you were one of those many who shared the same opinion about last year's game.
As far your question is concerned, I felt if we played like we are capable of playing we would have had a great chance of winning that game. Unfortunately we fumbled the game away.
Dominated by LSU? We were ahead for most of the game and only lost by 2 points. I'll borrow a phrase I heard on college gameday last week, "Stats only mean anything if you're playing Dungeons and Dragons".
There are two aspects of Clemson's success that I haven't seen much discussion on. We know that they are undefeated in their pillowfights this year, but has anyone noticed just HOW BAD their opponents in these games cover their WRs? How many times have 2 and 6 been the only player on the TV screen when they catch a pass? Who lets this happen? I mean we have blown coverages every now and then, but they just "pitch and catch" their way down the field. It will be interesting to see how a semi-competent backfield like NCSU does against them.
The other, more curious aspect is, what will this string of scout teams that they have "played" do to their stamina? No doubt they are well rested, as they have been able to pull starters early. What I mean is, what do they do when you smack them in the mouth? Can they get up? Can they go four quarters with athletes who are on the same level as them?
Someone once said about the ACC dragging down their historically good programs (and I think it applies to CU): "If you wrestle with 5-year-olds long enough, soon you forget how to punch a man."
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