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Okay that is ridiculous. You think elite recruits would rather goto a middling program or a top10 program?
There is absolutely a correlation. Along with location and playing time considerations - which vary given the recruit.
But to say there is no impact on a teams success to what recruits want to go there is beyond idiotic.
Our recruiting has changed alot in these past 8 years.
Notably, retaining top-notch in-state talent - Gilmore, Alshon, Marcus, Clowney, etc
This wasnt happening 8 years ago.
Which is in part making this year frustrating - we lost the top three in-state talents - ie how things used to be when we werent as good
Get off your "im a more loyal and smarter fan" nonsense
Really? Then why are we losing kids to Florida when they havent won 30 games the last three years? You didnt say top 10 programs.
Wins and losses dont mean anything. Tradition does. Florida has it, Bama has it, Uga has it, WE DO NOT HAVE IT. So if you think three years of winning 10 a season is going to vault us into the stratosphere of college football you are an idiot.
We are not a perennial power house. And we won't be anytime soon. Our recent success will not change that. Get a clue...
Elliott "Small" Fry
Of course it did not happen Spurrier's first year. but it WAS our goal. Spurrier said so from day one, you saying otherwise makes you an idiot. His philosophy and tactics have not changed.
And I am OBVIOUSLY smarter than you when it comes to recruiting. You are clueless.
Our recruiting isn't going to change much until Columbia becomes more appealing of a place for an 18 year old. Yes, there are all kinds of good times to be had in Columbia, but for a football player, they come at the expense of getting caught by the police that are always out to get them. In Clemson, Athens, and most other places, those cops turn a blind eye to an underage football player drinking along with all the other underage students. And I know not all players want to go out and get in trouble, but a lot of these players go to college to play football, so that they can go to college. Most of them know they have an outside shot at the NFL and so they want the full experience of college, but they can't because they're higher profile than most students. I'm not saying they're bad kids for it either.
Also, Columbia is not really a pretty city. I love Columbia and I lived there for 5 years and would love to move back if I get the opportunity, but compared to Clemson, our city is unattractive to the untrained eye.
Our coaches don't tell the kids what they want to hear. They tell them what they want to tell them, which is that if they work hard and are willing to compete, then we want them. Our coaches are not out to get talent just to have talent. What's the point of having all of that talent if they can't be motivated to compete and get better? Our coaches want guys that want to be there. It used to not be like that in Cola, hence guys like Meat and Watson coming in with all the talent in the world and nothing coming out of it but wasted years.
There's so much more to recruiting than winning a lot of ball games in a given amount of time. Now, if we keep up the 10 win (minimum) seasons, then we'll definitely turn some heads, but 3 years is considered a flash in the pan by most people.
You can't see! I can't see! All that matters is can the f*&%ing horse see! That's a raid!
Ahyes, blame our recruiting on the police. I like this. It makes me laugh.
Maybe but you'd be a fool if you thought Columbia PD wasn't tougher on our football players than many other local police departments.
And this is a bad thing?
Explain to me how our recruiting has changed instead of just downvoting my posts.
Spurrier's first class would have been the 2006 class(2005 was technically his first but he was only here a couple of months, if that). Our big class was 2007 and was probably the most heralded class we have had under Spurrier. So considering our most heralded class was Spurrier's second full year here says a lot that recruiting has NOT changed much. We had Garcia but also Cliff Matthews(who was Mr. Football that year?), Melvin Ingram, Chris Culliver, Travian Robertson, Akeekm Auguste and Marty Markett who are all in the NFL(or did Markett get cut). Clifton Geathers was also a part of that class. We haven't had a higher rated class that I know of, at least according to the gurus. So really, considering our most heralded class happened six classes ago how can you sit there and say our recruiting has changed that much?
Spurrier is not a star-f*&^er like you. He cares more about quality individuals who want to work and want to be at USC. That is more important than a 4.3 guy to our staff.
You being a fool? That's for you to decide.
Having the cops be harder on our football players than normal students? yes that is bad.
Having our cops being harder on our football players than cops in other towns are on their own football players? Yes that is bad.
It is a HUGE negative. it isn't spin to say it's a negative. It is a fact. One that definitely hurts us. have you been living under a rock btw? Dabo and company have a packet they send to recruits considering us that outlines the number of arrests for USC athletes. This is not a joke or conspiracy. It really happened. And you'd be obtuse to think other schools didn't use this against us as well.
So, recruits don't care about the number of wins in a season, but they DO care and read all the stories about police and usc football players. Definitely believe this. Also, since Garcia left, I can't think of a single arrest of a football player, can you?
This class is fine. But I disagree with the rest. We will never? Just like we will never win 10 back to back, never beat ga/tn/Clem 3x in a row, 4 Mr footballs in a row etc.etc...etc.... how many div games have we lost in last 3 yrs?no reason we can't anything anymore. Our program is legit as any and not only is it OK to be a gamecock, its cool to be a gamecock. We are not a mid level. No more old carolina...
So all players with lesser talent/potential are more quality individuals?
Dude you are too caustic / delusional to have rational conversation with.
There seem to be people that are reluctant to credit this staff's recruiting strategy in having any impact on the unprecedented success we are having.
They have made conscious decisions about who to pursue and who not to pursue and the method by which they pursue them.
Do you think this approach maybe is tailored to land the kind of guys that they can win with?
Or is it just some kind of lucky coincidence that the kind of guys who play games, need excessive attention and change their minds every day don't end up developing as well.
I also don't have time to teach you how to speak hobo.
That makes sense. But it doesn't account for them not landing top players that they are targeting.
That said, obviously no one expects the coaching staff to land everyone they want.
The legitimate frustration that some folks have revolves primarily around:
1) not landing the top in-state SC players this year (which runs directly counter to our reason "path to success"), and
2) having our unprecedented success on the field not be matched in the recruiting rankings
That said, some of our expectations of the timeframe for point 2 may be unrealistic --
We do face significant impediments given the size of our state and the brand advantages other nearby schools have over us
Overall, I think the staff is doing a commendable job recruiting. I think we are building an excellent base for the future. And I am optimistic that things will continue to get better and better.
Obviously, when something negative happens recruiting-wise, people will piss-and-moan. We all pay for an insider recruiting site. Its unrealistic to not expect overreactions.
The thing that is very annoying is when some of yall hear one or two persons say something stupid in the moment, and the yall go ahead and label everyone who has anything remotely resembling a dissent with this "you're not a true fan, trust the coaches, im smarter than you" nonsense.
Yep, was it Muldrow or some other freshman that was arrested and then immediately dismissed? We have certainly had players get arrested.
No, kids parents care about arrest records, and kids dont look at USC and think they are a national powerhouse. SO no, winning games for three years in a row does not sway a recruit. Keep being ignorant if you wish.
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We dont have the instate talent Florida and Georgia have. Go ask Tony he will say the same thing. Why are we down in recruiting a tad this year? Because the state is way down on talent. We will never produce the number of BCS football players that those two states will. We are at geographical disadvantage that will not change in our lifetime if ever. It will take two plus decades to become a national program like those two schools, and even then, we will be at a disadvantage.
You are too stupid to have a conversation with. There are no absolutes but thats how you argue. There are plenty of two stars that dont have the work ethic to come to USC, thats why they are not here. There are also five stars without the work ethic. There are also five stars like Lattimore and Clowney, and four stars like Melvin Ingram, and three stars like Eric Norwood, and two stars like Captain Munnerlyn. I never said that it is one way or another, But I did say you are an idiot and you just proved it by believing that everything has to be an absolute.
It truly is sad. Look at Bom for a perfect example of this. They are butthurt because Rolin flipped, they dont even realize our OWN LB COACH didnt want the kid at LB, said he was too slow. They also seem to forget this recruiting strategy which they are bashing has brought us the best success IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM. Truly sad that we have morons like this in the fan base.
So for the record, you think that the comparatively stringent police at USC have more of an effect on recruiting than the past 3 years of on the field success? You are a moron.
that is not in any way whatsoever what i was saying.
perhaps you're not a troll, but instead have really poor reading comprehension
you will spin your wheels of discontent and unjustified sanctimoniousness
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