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What point are you trying to prove?
Are these stats the reason we lost only two games?
I think Junior's a good WR coach but what exactly is your definition of "developed"? Sidney and Alshon were superior players almost from the moment they stepped on the field. McKinley, on the other hand, had to learn the position from scratch. Junior did a good job with him.
Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty
Good point, but according to the rivals UT site they started a SR, 3 JRs, and a SO. Didn't we start a SR, a JR, 2 SOs, and a FR? That's 3 players with a year difference.
Also, look at Bama's line. 2 SRs, 2 JRs. The year Auburn won the title they had 4 SRs I believe.
Meant years in school.
I did say older is preferable. I think Bama returned some guys from last year's team too, but they have a big talent advantage as well.
This post was edited by BCMCock05 15 months ago
I agree that our OL recruiting was poor in 2008 and 2009. It wasn't much better in 2010 and 2011.
Any improvement on the OL in 2013 is going to have to come from Shell, Cann and maybe Robinson. I don't see Patrick getting any better than he was this year. As for C, I know TJ was a 4 year starter but i feel he played best as a RS freshman. Nevertheless, it will be difficult for Waldrop to match TJ's level of play.
Any shortcomings on the OL are primarily related to talent, not coaching.
So your list does not include the successes. I guess you are one of those idiots who say " they would have been good anywhere so Bubba doesn't get the credit". Considering Rice was hurt for the 2004 season then yes I give credit to his DEVELOPMENT to Bubba. Last time I checked Lout or Skip Holtz weren't coaching him up when he broke nearly every record at WR at USC.
Name me another WR coach in the country who has done as well as Bubba over the last 8 years.
Elliott "Small" Fry
UT's 3 juniors all started as true freshman, so they all had 2 years starting experience before this season. While you obviously have to take your lumps that 1st year, starting guys that early certainly has benefits down the road.
Johnson is the only player we had this year with anywhere close to that level of starting experience. If guys like Robinson and Shell get to their 3rd years as starters and haven't made significant progress from where they are today, then you would have good grounds to criticize Elliott.
So TN plays a cupcake OOC schedule, the East, and Bama, and you think it's apples and apples when it comes to comparing the two teams seasons statistics? smh
I haven't anyway. I don't think you people read what I write.
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Gotcha. So UT didn't redshirt their JRs? I didn't check.
Agree on Bama. Big time talent edge. Would you agree though that our younger guys are pretty talented, and the potential is there?
I don't know another WR coach that's been a WR coach for the last 8 years. I do know several that have been promoted from WR coach in the last 8 years.
I provided the "others" list. He's had a few successes, yes. Absolutely. Your average WR coach will have successes over an 8 year period.
Our OL should be strong in 2013 and potentially stellar in 2014. Not to mention the type of guys we have been recruiting in the 2013-2014 classes. We are in fantastic shape.
Some of them, yes. It's harder to tell on the line but it seems we have a better blueprint than we've had.
If people are going to say he failed to developed guys like DL Moore etc, then I am going to give him credit for guys like Alshon and Rice. The simple fact is Alshon had very little coaching at WR before he got to USC, same situation with Rice. McKinley is the perfect example, but if you are going to bash him for guys who didn't pan out, then I am going to give him credit for guys that did. Remember, Alshon took half a season to work his way into the rotation, so you saying he was superior from the moment he stepped on the field is blatantly false.
Name another WR coach for the last four years then. Hell name one coach from another team that has produced NFL talent.
Bubba could have EASILY moved on to be a HC or OC at another school. Your asinine assertion that he hasn't because he is not good is laughable at best. He could have been the HC at Coastal but turned it down. That is a fact.
You are nothing more than a jealous hater.
Give him credit, then.
As for Alshon, perhaps it took Junior half a season to recognize his talent.
"As for Alshon, perhaps it took Junior half a season to recognize his talent."
Do you really believe that? Do you honestly think we didn't realize Alshon had a ton of talent? I mean Dabo didn't. We know that. Dabo decided he wasn't good enough to be a WR at Clemson and that's nuts because we know he "gets it" and all.
No, I suspect Jr. and all of our coaches knew full well that Alshon was an elite talent but until an elite talent knows the playbook and knows what route to run he's not going to see the field. See, because if Jr. puts him on the field before he's ready, talented and all, here's what happens. He runs the wrong route. Garcia throws it to where he's supposed to be and it gets picked off. Then you've got folks, dare I say like you, lambasting Garcia..."Who's he throwing it too?? Get him out of there Spurrier..."
That, or we find out that Alshon ran the wrong route because he wasn't ready yet at which time we get to hear how dumb Jr. was for putting him out there.
He's criticizing our offense. He loves to tell us how much better other coaches are than ours.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
I would call any WR coach that's coached multiple All Americans, 6-7 all conference, a pro bowler, and 4 guys that rewrote their conference and schools' record book successful and good.
This post was edited by Jefe5235 15 months ago
You don't understand the rules of the game. In the TBS version of "Let's evaluate Bubba" you aren't allowed to count the players he's coached that did all of that really good stuff you mentioned. You can only look at the careers of the ones that didn't do those things.
Under the bizzaro rules used to evaluate him, only his failures are to be examined. Nevermind that using that inane logic, there has never been a good coach ever in the history of football.
Absolutely you count them. Do you not count the ones that did nothing to minimal?
Yall gone crazy.
2, maybe 3, posters have grumbled about Elliot lately.
The remaining 99% of us are more than happy with Coach Elliot.
Why make a mountain out of a molehill?
It's quite obvious that Jr cannot do anything right in some people's eyes. Nothing he does will ever be good enough, and any perceived failure will be mounted on the internet wall. Every school in the nation has WR that sit on the bench, the same with every position. Jr has coached some of the best receivers in school history at two schools. That is a career accomplishment if that is all he ever does.
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