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The way I see it, let's just acknowledge these two things and then move on from this train wreck of a season.
a) This team was monstrously overmatched against even mediocre competition, and that was very evident before even our first game. This team would've had some ugly losses with John F'ing Wooden himself at the helm.
b) Martin mailed it in this season and did not give his best effort. Make whatever excuses you want and blame it all on Horn. It doesn't change what we all witnessed with our own eyes. Martin's greatest coaching performance wouldn't have made us a tournament team, but he damn sure could've done a better job of working with the abilities and personalities he had. People can say the losing got the best of him, and, if you're willing to accept that from our coach, fine. To me, he was paid $2 million to make the best of this season, and I don't think he gave it his honest, all out effort.
Here's hoping things start to take a slow turn for the better beginning with this off-season. Martin can get it done here, but he's going to have to be willing to make some smaller adaptations along the way. When you're dealing with college kids, you can't take a 100% my way or the highway approach all the time. The coming seasons will tell how we bounce back from this very low point.
I think Williams is a good player and comparable to Galloway but not as athletic and 4 inches shorter. Galloway lead team in steals.
La Salle wins a cple in the A10 tourney and they are in. A10 will get just as many as SEC this yr.
The SEC was horrificly bad this year imo.......even if we won 23/24 games we may have been left out of the dance......
Wow... that's pretty asinine right there. You think he really would have made that much of a difference? You are a big dreamer my friend. Would he make the rest of our players grow? If not, then I doubt we win more than 2 games more this year with him.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by a7xrox 13 months ago
In part a you claim that the team was severely over-matched and John Wooden would have struggled with this team. In part b you claim that Martin didn't give his best effort.
If Martin gave his best effort were would have this team ended up? And please explain how he didn't give his best effort.
I am seriously confused that some believe Frank didn't give his best effort. This isn't professional sports where tanking a season will give you better draft position. He is not going out there and losing games on purpose.
Do you believe that Lou Holtz gave up on the team during his first season? I see similar parallels between the football program when Holtz took over and the basketball program when Frank took over.
Frank wasn't paid $2 million to make the best of this season. He was paid $2 million to turn the program around LONG-TERM. Turning this program around is going to take multiple seasons. Bagging his philosophy to MAYBE get a few more wins (likely not) this season would not have helped the program long-term. In fact, it probably would have hurt the program long-term because it would have set a bad example for the young players Frank is using to build the program.
Frank realizes we need to "change the culture" around the basketball program. We have heard that term before... from Steve Spurrier when he first got here. Spurrier had mild sucess when he first got here and 2007 ended up being a disaster. However, he was committed to his way or the highway approach (not talking strategy with Elliot, etc., talking culture of the program aspects) and look where we are now. Frank is doing the same thing. He was not going to sacrifice his approach for one season.
"The coming seasons will tell how we bounce back from this very low point." - Thanks for pointing out the obvious...
Does 15 in the 1st half vs Kansas st change your mind?
People get better remember, seth curry was terrible transferred from a smaller school to Duke and has blown up. He would have been best player. Not a bad thing a couple more wins we had some close games and no one can shoot on our team.
Forever To Thee
You have no idea what you're talking about.
"You’re either a block-gobbler, a farmer, or you’re a damn hunter and playmaker."
He avereaged over 20 a game his only year at Liberty...
What "job" did you want him to fight for VB? He started 4 games his last year...FOUR. Brian Richardson was the starter at shooting guard all year at a whopping 5 PPG. You wanted him to stay and "fight" to keep his job as 7-8th man? After being benched in favor of two AAU heroes? The guy was told to GTFO, and you keep beating this drum as if he was scared to compete w Damian Leonard.
Watching him play on the big stage...does he strike you as a guy who shied away from competition? Give it up man, you were wrong.
Eek, blow your load a little early on the call out??
4 pts on 0% from the field and 4 TOs in the second half...
Great win for LaSalle, survive and Advance...
I disagree here...
This post was edited by JamieShaw 13 months ago
The Galloway greatness is a little overblown on here lately. He's pretty good, but Lord have mercy! You would think he's the second coming of MJ.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
Compared to Eric Smith, Galloway is MJ
I've yet to see anyone say he was great. He was just the best we had. And he was only a sophomore.
So he had 19 pts correct?
Good thing we don't have him.
Considering how consistently awful Horn was with his evaluations, it is highly likely that he missed the boat with Galloway. Since Frank Martin is a superior coach, I have confidence that Galloway would have contributed significantly to this year's team since it lacked talent, experience, leadership, etc. which Galloway has proven that he has and brings to his team. That being said, I do not think our win total improves by more than 4-5 but we might have gained some momentum with a conference tournament win for a change and the rep of not being so awful in a mediocre conference. More wins would have helped, as long as Horn was replaced by Martin.
If Galloway had stayed, perhaps we would not have had the other turnover that we experienced with Gill, Harris and Holloman.
Boy, I wonder what Martin could have done with Spinella - just kidding!
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