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It really looks like the Tigers and our Governor have really stepped into an ant hill with this. If you remember there was an article a while back detailing how Clemson sold their plane and then used a plane that was paid for by taxpayers to take recruiting visits. Today it is back in the news with a new bill introduced to ban Universities (Clemson) from taking advantages of taxpayer assets.
My favorite part of the article?
"State Rep. B.R. Skelton, R-Pickens, a Clemson graduate, was the only lawmaker to vote against the proposal.
When the initial news broke, Clemson president James Barker used the planes the most, followed by the head football coach, Dabo Swinney, and head basketball coach, Brad Brownell.
Not surprisingly, since they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, "Swinney and his football staff have stepped up their use of the state-owned planes, according to flight records."
I'm glad that we own our two planes and use common sense. Don't you know that they just want to fire Jeff Scott right now for ever posting that picture? They really think they are special in the Upstate. Well guess what, I think they are special too.
State colleges and universities could not use state-owned aircraft to recruit athletes, according to a proposal a House budget subcommittee approved Monday.
Personally, I've got no problem with Clemson using those planes IF they are reimbursing the state for every single penny that it costs to operate those planes on those trips and so long as that reimbursment is consistent with what any other state agency would be charged for using that plane. If Clemson is paying .50 on the dollar then that's crap and it needs to stop.
Otherwise, I don't much care.
The issue goes beyond the repayment of the cost. It opens up many additional use questions that must be answered.
1) Does it create an unfair advantage for Clemson (in the eyes of recruits, cost savings, fair and equatable "rental" price)?
2) Does this open the state up to litigation in the event of an accident?
3) Is the use of the plan open to all schools (not just USC but SC State, Furman or the Citadel)?
4) Does the decision create a vision of bias in any way shape or form?
I'm of the opinion that if it just does not look right you don't do it. I think that applies here.
Fair points and all should considered. All things being equal, and again IF Clemson is paying fair market value....it's a revenue stream, albeit a small one, for the state. If we 2 choices: get 100k+ a year for the use of a plane or get nothing as it sits on a tarmac...I'll take the former.
$3000 for a chartered flight is extremely low and that's the price they've admitted to paying. I would say that cost is probably about 1/3 of a short charted flight on a small to mid sized jet.
The rug really tied the room together, did it not?
Yes. That's dirt cheap. Last charter I was on in early 2000s was 12k!
''fair is not getting them same as everybody else, fair is getting what you need to succeed."
My thought would be to determine how the coaches from upstate get to the airplane. Do they go to it or does it 'dead head' from Columbia to pick up coaches and 'dead head' once they are dropped off? There seems to be a lot of extra costs and unknow specifics, i.e. it's underhanded at best. I can tell you that it certainly appears that the cu people have a smirk on their faces when bragging about using the state plane for recruiting purposes. I also feel reasonable safe in saying that I am sure the coaches use this to their advantage with the recruits.
Disclaimer: I apologize for using the word coaches when referring to that bunch of clowns from cu.
I believe the word "choach" was invented for just such a time.
"I'm Gamecock born and Gamecock Bread, and when I die I'll be Gamecock dead!"
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
Typical jet charters are between $2500 and $5000 per hour and that typically doesn't include landing fees, hangar rentals, and and overnight fees.
If $3000 per flight round trip is what the state charges to "rent" the plane, then I'd expect the plane should be getting a helluva lot of use. The plane seats 8, that is less than $400 per person. You can't fly commercial coach for that.
$90,000 for 30 trips? that's $3,000 a trip. that's cheap. would that even buy the jet fuel?
If Nikki Haley were not so in your face about being a fan of Clemson this would be a non issue. She pisses off a ton of USC fans with the way she acts towards CU when she is supposed to represent the entire state. I know we have had governors that were usc fans but she does more to promote Clemson when she has the chance and it rubs people the wrong way and they go looking for dirt. just my thoughts.
You are right about that and possibly way cheap BUT that isnt a jet...I dont know what it is but it looks like an old, prop-driven, stretch Kingaire if that even exists. I have no problem with them using the State planes if it is paid for equitably including the trips to and from Columbia to Clemson. Another thought then, as well, If Clemson can use charters more economically then why does the State need a Rental plane Compared to other program that have sleeker "logo" planes; that aint impressing no recruit...in my view. I suggested recently that all such trips by all parties involved should be billed at the going private market fee......simple as that and very easy to calculate.
Big time surprise to me is that one of their supporters with a plane isnt giving them (at least) some flight or discounting to them the use of their company plane
This post was edited by GarnetOP 14 months ago
Which recruit was given the plane?
George Strait-Entertainer of a Lifetime
Totally correct and notice my username...that isnt accidental
I just flew round trip from Charlotte to LaGuardia for $197 at the end of September. So sorry, but you can fly a lot of places for less than $400.
Elliott "Small" Fry
She is a Clemson fan, what do you expect? Vote for the other guy next time and this problem will not exist anymore.
This post was edited by MrNiceGuy 14 months ago
The plane in my opinion should only be used for official government business. Recruiting is not official government business.
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