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I'm going to take a lot of heat for this one from my fellow Gamecocks for the initial conclusion, but read to the end, and stick with me for the whole series. I played it right up the middle, looking at all aspects from the big picture, and taking in both perspectives when more than one is referenced. I look forward to your feedback.
This post was edited by MeetMeAtThe50 14 months ago
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In before Bosscock....
UNC....Did somebody say UNC??
This post was edited by cockfool 14 months ago
I agree with most all of that DJ. Thanks for sharing.
UNC would be a huge grab for the SEC. It would be great to play the as well. However, it would hurt us for there to be a SEC school in NC. Their fans suck as well.
I just want Clemson stuck in a weak ACC or the Big 12. Just keep Clemson out of the SEC and I'm happy.
This post was edited by Gcock 14 months ago
Yep. For the league...good move. Like 'em or hate 'em, they're a national brand. They're in a new state which captures the Charlotte and Triangle TV markets. Natural rivalry for us.....the downside is that it makes the state of NC, that we rely on heavily, much tougher to recruit in.
I hate the Tarholes, but if they leave the ACC (which they own in all but name) then it will mean that the ACC is going the way of the Big East and means dire trouble for Clemson. So there is ONE bright spot in the Tarholes joining the SEC.
That really hurts coming from you...For a reasonable fee, I might be willing to keep your dirty little secret and prevent your TBS rankings from plummeting faster than Manti T'eo's draft status...
UNC is top dog in the ACC.....by far.
Most of UNCheat's alumni and fans would have their heads explode since they could not wrap their hypocritical and dabolusional brains around moving to the SEC which they feel is academically inferior. Plus, they would not be able to handle NOT being able to control the SEC like they do the EZZ.
Dont see them being in the SEC. Everyone knows they have an agreement with Duke to not move without the other. Having said that, I really see NC State being the team from NC and VA Tech from VA.
I really think UNC would be too scared to let NC State join the SEC. I know they are a basketball school, but they would not be able to handle the football boost State would get.
Also, if this heads to 4 super conferences doing their own thing and breaking away from the NCAA, chances are the ACC would not be one of the conf. There is no way UNC fans would tolerate not even having a chance to play for a nat. Champ. In football.
I never understood this. UNC is governed by the same board of regents that governs NCS. That group will ultimately decide which offer to accept. Their responsibilities are for UNC and NCS, not Duke. Have I missed something along the way or are people just making this assumption (honest?)?
That's not to say UNC and Duke don't end up in the same conference. I think both go to the B1G provided NCS is invited to the SEC. NCBOR will not allow UNC or NCS to be left behind in a crumbling ACC though. Only options that land UNC in the SEC is for NCS to come with them or get a B1G invite (unlikely) .
This post was edited by Jefe5235 14 months ago
Adding UNC and Duke to the east would be a brilliant move IMO. Gives the SEC the 3 top programs in college basketball and the Raleigh-Durham market. Also makes the Charlotte market fully SEC whereas its more of an ACC market now and adding those 2 really strengthens our value in the tv deal. UNC is a true national brand and is the big prize left in all of realignment and has the ability to be really good in football. Move mizzou to the west to balance the divisions and rake in the dough.
"Those who live in the past are cowards and losers" -- Mike Ditka
imo the sec will take only one school from nc and one from the baltimore/virginia/maryland area that will give them 2 large tv markets instead of one. i realize that national brand schools offer more but it is hard to turn down 2 huge tv markets, which is where the big $$ are.
I agree. I would want Virginia to be the other
I agree... They run the show in the ACC. Same reason Texas declined SEC overtures. While obviously UNC would get the first offer, much like Texas & Oklahoma did too im sure, I think State is much more likely jump ship due to many of the same reasons that allowed the SEC to grab A&M. I think a lot of it depends on if Maryland is let off the hook or not. If they are, then a school like State just has to at least strongly consider leaving. Especially after watching all the sudden national exposure and quick influx of revenues that A&M recieved after being drug out of Texas' shadow by being an SEC member... Granted, thats not exactly apples to apples, but State long-term would gain much more by joining SEC, as opposed to remaining in the ACC and continuining to be bitched around by the holes and dukies. Esp after that scandal in chapel hill basically got swept under the rug. How would we feel if we were stuck in a conference with the Taters and had to watch them run the show AND get away with crap like that? ANYWAY... thank you so much for giving my new favorite word... "Dabolusional." I can't wait to use that one, lol!
If you read Doug's article, or go on the goats' biggest boards, like Inside Carolina(and yes I feel dirty admitting I have), you'll see most of their fans want the SEC, if the ACC implodes, and are dead set against the Big 10.
This post was edited by 81 Alumnus 14 months ago
"How would the Tar Heels in the SEC affect the “other Carolina’s” program?"
You lose any and all credibility when you refer to us as "other Carolina." That is TarHole talk. I know you have family that is all UNC but you of all people, especially as Carolina grad should know better.
That said the Holes won't join the SEC out sheer arrogance. In their self inflated opinion of themselves the SEC is beneath them and their fraudulent "academics." They look at a conference like the SEC as being "part of the problem with college athletics" and any attempt or thought of joining the SEC will be met with derision and protest from UNC's academia, administration and many big donors. Right now those people hold the power because of the power vacuum that came after all their cheating came to public light. The big Ram's Club donors who were hell bent on winning at all costs have been for now stymied by all the bad press, investigations, probation, etc. The removal of the cheerleader Chancellor Thorp is a public example. For those reasons the SEC is NOT on the table for them to join. In their minds it would be like diving back into a sewer after they just got out of one and showered. Now way are the powers to be going to dive back in. The Walmart UNC fans want to join because to them UNC basketball is like a professional team. They have no allegiance to the school other then that and they certainly do not have a say so on where UNC lands if they leave.
You do point out the that the B1G would be a lot more attractive and would fit in with their strategic "Four Year Plan. " I agree but keep in mind that that plan on paper came about as a direct response by the academic folks to all the cheating and fraud that was exposed. On paper it sounds good but old vices die hard over at Brokeback Mountain U. There are still many fans and donors who believe that winning at all cost is important. That's part of the reason they sacrificed their football so that they can protect basketball which is so wrought with fraud its beyond words.
One opinion I will present to you and that is that UNC stays put even if the ACC implodes. The reasons are many:
1) IF the ACC implodes it will still be a very good basketball conference for the short term with Pitt, Syracuse and UofL joining. UNC is and always will be a basketball school first. That is their golden goose and it is a huge moneymaker for them, the ACC and the NCAA. They will still be one of the premier basketball programs in the country so they lose nothing by staying and still have their rivalry with Duke.
2) ACC Control - You can call it paranoia or conspiracy crap but the fact of the matter is UNC controls the ACC front office with Duke as a junior partner. Swofford is a puppet for ACC. That is a fact. His handling of their cheating is a prime example especially when you compare for the penalties he insisted on for Clemson back in 1981 after they were put on probation. There are plenty of examples but that is just one.
3) Tallest midget - Like I said UNC is basketball first everything else is secondary. If FSU, VT, or Clemson left the Holes would be quite happy to be the tallest midget in a weak football conference. They could win the conference every year, brag about it, hang their phoney billboards like they did in Charlotte this past month about being ACC football champs, and still go to bowls and if luck play for one of the playoff spots that will be coming. They will accept that.
That said I know UNC. I know how they tick. I lived and worked there for a number of years and worked with them. I have a sister who went there and my wife got her masters there. Sadly, and this kills me, I have a daughter that goes there now. I have a lot of them that work for me now. I also know how they look at Carolina and the SEC. I know your piece is conjecture but in my view, opinion and knowledge I do not see them coming to the SEC. I could be wrong. Time will tell but I don't think it will happen.
This post was edited by Bosscock 14 months ago
Has nothing to do with the Board of Regents. UNC and Duke run the ACC. They have longstanding competition and collectively moving together keeps that intact while also giving them bargaining position for whichever conference they would move to. They would have a level of control day one. Personally, I think it helps should UNC and State split between the SEC and the runner ups.
UNC BOG is run mostly by UNC grads. They certainly do not want to cede any advantage to NC State (ie. NC State to the SEC) but they are also dealing with a nasty public relations and perception mess that is UNC academic and athletic fraud scandals. This could give NC State some leverage if they ever thought about leaving the ACC. But keep in mind the big donors and powers to be at NC State are basketball centric and pine for the ACC glory days. They are living in the past and think they relevant every year in basketball. They still run the school and have the cash. The younger alums are more football centric and would love to leave the ACC for the SEC but right now they do not call the shots. A lot of that has to do with getting away from a UNC controlled conference and obtaining true relevance that money and prestige provide by being an SEC member. Like it has helped us the SEC would be a huge help to NC State.
UNC would never leave the ACC.
The Board of Governors is most likely the most powerful player in all of this. They are "the policy-making body legally charged with the general determination, control, supervision, management, and governance of all affairs of the constituent institutions". They have total control over 2 of the biggest players in realignment (UNC and NCS). As Boss points out the Board is heavy with tarholes. That said, there are 6 NCS grads and even more NON-UNC system grads on the board. Most of the holes did not go to UNCCH as undergrads either. Make no mistake, they most certainly will protect NCS from being left in a sinking ACC.
That leaves us with both NCS and UNC leaving the ACC (or neither). It's unlikely the SEC or B1G want them as a package deal. I don't see NCS to the B1G and UNC to the SEC - just doesn't make sense. NCS will end up in the SEC and UNC in the B1G.
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