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DL Moore and Smith? Really?
It really is sad that you consider yourself gamecock fan, tater. Name me on WR since Dabo has been there that has made an impact in the league. You cant, because there arent any. Quit bitching because you dont like the fact that Jr. is SOSs son. He is the best WR coach we have ever had, has brought in more talent than any other WR coach ever has, and has produced the best statistical players we have ever had/ Jr. is one of the best in the business.
Elliott "Small" Fry
I'm sorry, this is just not correct. Bobby Petrino is/was a mastermind at exploiting mismatches with his WRs and getting them the ball in space where they can run after the catch. I made a fool of myself yelling at the TV these past few years watching their WRs and TEs run free against our defense.
Exhibit A: our game vs. them this past year, Joe Adams (I believe, could've been Jarius Wright or any of their other speed demons) got matched up on D. Jeffery and got behind him by a couple steps for a long TD. Very much wide open.
Exhibit B: our game vs. them 2 years ago in Fayatteville, the play right before halftime, Mallet hits their TE wide open running across the field and they get a huge gainer and either score a TD or FG right before the half. Nobody was close to him on that play either that I can recall.
Types of offense and who your qb is can make those things mean different things, are any of those guys outside of Kelly and Watkins guys you'd consider all time great cu wr's the way you would the three Jr has had?
Clemson is a passing offense. They had Sammy and Hopkins last year, two good receivers. If Gurley was not dumb, we would have had Gurley and Alshon and Ace as our starters. That would have been a solid group, no?
Also, if you credit the receivers to their recruiter of record, you are criticizing Jr for not having good receivers in his recruiting area. That is a flawed argument.
Facts are, we have good receivers. You cannot tell me that other schools would not have given Ace, Bruce, KJ, Shamiere, Damiere, Fuller, Kwinton and all them scholarships. We have a young group. One of the best 3 receivers to ever play at USC just left for the NFL. 3 of the best EVER to play at USC have played under Bubba. That is the one and only argument.
Also, last year, Ace, and Bruce were open, they were open, they were open. Shaw did not understand when to throw it. Against Nebraska, he missed his window several times, and had to take off. He was confused all year by zone coverage. They were putting a guy in man on Alshon, and dropping 7 back in zone a lot, and it confused him. He was in his first year as a starter. This year, all of the sudden, our receivers are going to be open. It will be like magic.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
How could you read the stopwatch with all your man-drool all over it? You live columbia? Are they flying direct to Pluto out of CAE now?
BCM may be a pain when it comes to Jr, but he's not a tater.
Flo isn't either they are just not fans of Jr.
Yes Yes they are, but you did miss Shaq, he's exactly what you say we lack, so hopefully he'll have a big impact.
You are naming one instance. In general, they would hit their receivers in tight windows quite a bit. Of course they are going to run wide open a couple of times. Those plays are easy to remember, because of the situation. I was saying look at Arkansas' season. They hit receivers in tight windows. It's all timing, and Shaw had those a lot, and missed his window.
Your frustration can color your perception in games like that. Ellis's zone schemes were absolute crap against teams like Arkansas. Alshon was not open quite a bit last year, because he was doubled all the time, but the secondary guys were open.
Also Derrick Hamilton went in the 2004 draft and Currie in the 2005 draft and never played against the Spurrier staff. So it covers a longer time period.
Dabo arrived in Clemson in 2003, and here, I think is a complete list of Wrs they've signed since he arrived:
Tyler Grisham (the best example of a good scout, or good coaching job and oddly not mentioned at all)
Martavis Bryant (again)
So of the list Dabo had nothing to do at all with the recruitment of Hamilton, Currie, or Stuckey.
And the great majority of the players he recruited since he arrived at Clemson did little.
Of course that is exactly what you would expect in recruiting. However, were some of us Clemson fans instead of South Carolina fans they would have been up in arms about the poor development of Xavier Dye, like he was actually a player capable of doing better. Or complaining that he recruited Jeff Ogren.
Point of fact, Clemson fans did and do continue to complain about this stuff.
In fact, one of the biggest crticisms of Dabo last year was that he took so long to bench the all the experienced WRs on the team who were busts in favor of younger players. Essentially, that he had done such a poor job of recruiting WRs that they were mad that he was playing them ahead of what fans felt were better young players.
Seriously- Mallet was 27 of 30 against us in Arky. We to believe he threaded 20+ needles that afternoon? Come on man.
I have heard all of those reasons from you before and I still believe you should be classified as a JR hater. You tend to hate on many coaches for random reasons.
I don't believe JR is an elite coach but IMO, I believe that he is a good WR coach and have no reason to believe otherwise. Your logic on JR is faulty at best which is why you are considered a JR haterand rightfully so.
"Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others."
- Winston Churchill
Yeah calling them taters is dirty business.
No, the facts are we have alot of WRs who are unproven to date.
Ace has 54 career catches and 4 TD in 2 years at South Carolina (27 games, so he's averaging 2 rec/gm). Ellington has 17 catches and 1 TD in his 1 year of playing football. Damiere Byrd is credited with 1 rec for 16 yards for the entire 13 game season in 2011 on ESPN.com. The rest of those guys have yet to play a down, so you can't automatically say they are good just because they had a nice offer sheet coming out of HS. So did OJ Murdock, Chris Culliver, Carlos Thomas, Joe Hills, etc.and you see how they turned out at the WR position for us.
For the record, I am not saying our WRs are bad or SOS Jr. is a bad coach or anything like that. I just don't see how anyone can look at the position and automatically assume it's going to be a position of strength based on what has been proven on the field to date.
Oh and this is a seriously dumb question.
I mean seriously, there are clemson fans who will go on for days about Dabo's evaluations and tendency for offering WRs who cannot contribute. I've seen his evaluations referred to as "self imposed probation."
I meant to say that we have had good receivers under Bubba.
We also have a bunch that are talented, but, yes they are unproven. But, they would be on other reputable teams if they were not here.
I agree with you that the WR position is a question mark.
On the other hand, I do not think someone can look at last year's receptions and presume that it will be a weakness. likely to be somewhere in between.
If the recruiting analysts and college recruiters are correct there is talent in Ace Sanders, Damiere Byrd, KJ Brent, Shamir Jeffery, Kwinton Smith, Jody Fuller, and Shaq Roland.
We will see. I think we will probably have another run heavy, conservative offense this season and we will probably have some guys step up and make some catches.
But this group is probably not oging to be be as good this coming year as they will the following year.
Past experience here seems to suggest it takes WRs about a half year of playing time to settle in and perfect the things they need to perfect to be effective.
They will have to find the primary guys and then those guys should improve with reps.
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People say JR is a great coach because of 3 players drafted that racked up yards here.
I assumed, following the same logic, they would think Jeff and Dabo were great or greater coaches for doing more of the same thing.
Not to take sides but wasn't joker Phillips now head coach at uk our WRs coach? I like jr but the best ever?
The moral of this story is the following.....some (Flo etal) will always bitch about something. Best thing to do with his type so let them complain and ignore.
or lighten up and enjoy some back and forth.
xanies on isle 9 poncharella.
He also produced big time guys at OU, but don't let facts get in the way.
We will find out this year how good our receivers are because we do not have one superstar receiver that will be constantly throwing it to. We will probably run it way way more than we even throw it this year.
ok fair, but who did Joker have while he was here? And I see your point, but Im not so sure Joker is better at coaching the WRs than junior. I am keenly awre that Joker is the better overall coach, but in terms of production as a WR coach, no one has ever been better at USC than Jr.
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