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Isn't it possible he only gets one shot at the NFL? He's already put in work to take us to the next level.
Just say you think he should come back for you and leave it at that.
Our guys seem to always go later than expected. I'll bet he goes late fourth, early fifth.
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I in no way expect Ace to get arrested, i was just throwing that out there to mention all the possibilities. I'm pretty sure tony said 2-3 so I'm gonna stick with that. I think he really wanted to come back and help us get to the next level and that's why he said he was staying originally. Then, sense kicked in and he realized (or was shown) that this is the smartest move for his future and he took it.
If your point is about anything other than his draft stock you're looking at it the wrong way and selfishly for our program at that. Of course I would have loved him to stay, but at the end of the day I can't fault him for making the smartest move he could've made. If he comes out and gets cut, then he just got the biggest payday he could've had and now goes back and finishes his degree. Had he waited till next year, the chances he gets cut are still the same. The only difference.. He got a bigger first paycheck (almost guaranteed) for leaving this year.
It's certainly possible he could get arrested. Getting arrested doesn't make you a bad person. He could get hurt too. And why do you keep throwing this 4th round grade out? I've yet to see anything that wasn't a 2nd-3rd round grade. That's good money with a very good shot of making the team and contributing. Staying one more year is not going to have any impact on if he gets cut by an NFL team. If he's good enough he'll make it, if he's not he won't. One more year of college won't impact that. If he does get cut, then he'll have a couple years of $400k salary in the bank and a chance to come back to finish his degree. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
If you want to be angry at something, get angry at the flip flopping he did.
This. Ace is not going to get any taller, faster, etc. He had a good year and closed well. I wish him nothing but the best.
And besides, he can come back and finish his degree if needed.
From a football prospective I hate to lose him, but from a personal standpoint I am not in his shoes so I can't judge.
Again, I wish him the best.
Here's the problem: in the SEC, if you want to win you MUST recruit the type of players that are going to eyeball the NFL as soon as they crack the starting 11 in college. How many times have we heard a coach or a player say: "It's a business". Whether we as fans agree with that or not, it IS a business decision for almost all of these guys. At USC it is pretty rare that a guy comes back for his senior season and helps his draft stock. Melvin Ingram is the only one that immediately comes to mind. E. Norwood came back and it is debatable whether that helped him or not. Can anyone argue he would have been drafted higher or lower if he came out early? And he is out of the league already.
There is no doubt S. Gilmore made the right decision; and in hindsight, so did guys like Captain Munnerlyn and Sidney Rice. As a selfish fan, I want Ace to stay but I totally understand why he is leaving. His stock as a punt returner could not be any higher and his last two games as a WR were pretty impressive also. I am surprised he originally said he was going to stay.
I really believe that what happens to these guys is they realize how much money can be made available to them immediately, even if it is "only" 50 grand or so. That is a LOT of $$$! With "winter conditioning drills" and classes starting this week, why would a guy like Ace stick around and go thru the grind (unpaid) for 12 more months?. There is very likely an agent or agent's rep showing him a check with a bunch of zeroes on it that is his if he will just sign a piece of paper. Athletes like Ace see themselves playing sports for a living, not getting a diploma and getting a real job. I don't blame him a bit. Hell, I am thankful that we only have two guys leaving early. UGA has 5 or 6 and LSU has 11! Good luck Ace and thanks for being a Gamecock.
That was last year bud not this year. Thomas is a bum like I told you earlier. You are kidding yourself or smoking crack if you think he is a 1st rounder
Who is he a GM for? Nobody. His opinion like mine means nothing. I would lay money with anyone that he will not go any higher than the 3rd round. Whittle can hold the money. With that said the kid owes us the fans nothing. He is a grown ass man and can do what he wants.
This post was edited by roosterrizk1 15 months ago
Dude it was just posted on ESPN yesterday, BUD...ran across the screen with his announcement to return
And no i dont think he is a first round talent, i think he is better suited to be a TE.
But im not the one ranking players, bud. And also I dont need you to tell me anything, im capable of watching football and forming opinions.
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Since you cant read, here is what Tony said this morning
Ace Sanders decision
I know many of you are disappointed in the news that wide receiver Ace Sanders has decided to forgo his final year of eligibility and enter the NFL draft. It’s my understanding that he received a fourth round grade from the advisory committee,
No go tell him hes wrong
Agree, i saw that guy say alot of stuff last year that didnt pan out
I saw it on ESPN. Saw no mention of him being a 1st rounder with his announced return.
Dont know what to tell you, i didnt make it up
I suspect Tony received the information from people in the know as well.
What is relevant is whether the particular player sees more value in leaving or whether he finds more value in staying.
There is more involved than whether a draft stock can go up or down. Some players are not entirely driven by where they will be drafted, or how much money they will make.
It is their decision Ultimately and their value evaluation. It isn't really anyone else's concern though we all will have our opinion of course.
Rice has made a pro bowl and is a multi-year starter making MUCHO money. Not sure how you define making an impact, but Rice has certainly made one.
BTW, I do agree with the point you were making, but not the broad brush you were using.
If he's a mid rounder its not a big difference in money. Rok Watkins went 150 in the 5th round last year and made similar money. He's a year closer to his second contract where 99% of players make their money.
Rokevious Watkins Guard 6/1/2012: Signed a four-year, $2,291,300 contract. The deal included a $191,300 signing bonus. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
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What degreees would they get that guarantee them a minimum of $300K plus in year 1? Making an NFL team guarantees a healthy minimum. Most everyone that came out early (except Gurley and Geathers) made a team and earned the minimum or above. Some became instant millionaires.
I have two kids that will be in college in a few years. Let me know what those degrees are that guarantee that money. I need to make sure they sign up for those majors and stick to the required curriculum.
Since those that make the team will get the minimum, don't you think they can come back and get that "degree to fall back on"?
I read where 70 percent of draft evaluations below the second round go lower than predicted.
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One season on an NFL practice squad and you can earn enough to pay for a year of school pretty easily. And 4th-7th round money is still more than these kids would see if they did graduate and entered the job market. Not saying everyone should leave early, but the argument that a player will be broke and without a degree in a few years if they jump early is silly. If they're broke it's because they don't know how to manage money. And an extra year in college to get a piece of paper won't change that.
No idea how to respond to this, making 300,00 for one year wont set you up for life.....
Also what percentage of guys come back to school after the NFL?
The point of the OP wasnt about how much money he will or will not make....
Why does that matter? If he would not come back, why do you think he would get his degree by staying?
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