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Your argument is asinine. You most certainly include team accomplishments when judging the greatest ever or else Marino would be considered better than Elway or Montana. Roth was quite possibly the most important player in Omaha the last two seasons. He was also a huge reason we won conference titles and gained top eight seeds this year and last.
Look at his postseason numbers. He performed the best on the biggest stages and he helped lead USC athletics to its most successful run in history. No other athlete in Carolina history has been linked to as much success over Clemson and a national stage as Roth.
I'm pretty sure you could say Jesus had the biggest impact on Christianity out of anyone in history and Al would take issue with that.
I will say this Blake Cooper was an amazing pitcher too, its placing the talent around the pitcher. Earl Bass was the greatest pitcher in team history. People think so much in the now. Most people don't even know who Earl Bass is.
Forever To Thee
If you want to consider team accomplishments when determining who is the greatest Gamecock athlete of all time you're free to do so. Does that mean that Garcia is the greatest QB of all time? Does that mean that Justice Cunninghham is the greatest TE of all time?
Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty
26-6 career record. Pitches that complete game vs clemson in 2010, pivotal part in burying the chicken curse with rosenblatt, solidifies our status as a powerhouse last year. Arguably the greatest to wear the garnet. Big shoes to fill during friday night next season.
I do not think pure talent wise, Roth is the best. However, he is the face of the most successful run we have had on a national scale and is success in post season and against Clemson is the greatest of all time.
"...linked to as much success...". That's a far cry from claiming that Roth is the greatest Gamecock athlete of all time.
Since he is the lynch pin, I would say he is the greatest of all time.
Earl Bass was 34-3 at Carolina and was a two-time All-American. He was pretty good, that's for sure.
If that's what you think that's fine with me. I'd have Roth no better than third on a list of best pitchers at USC.
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If that's what you believe then I respect that. I don't agree with you but I respect that.
I absolutely hate what this thread has become.
Great night to be a gamecock! Nothing better than looking over to your son and saying "we're watching the last pitches Michael Roth will throw in Carolina Stadium". It was surreal. I snapped some pics of his last few pitches and one of him handing the ball to Webb. If they turn out well I'll post them next week when my new laptop arrives. Unfortunately I'm on mobil and tablet for now.
Melvin Ingram, Sheldon Brown, Harold Green, Deuce Staley, Justin Smoak.....
Michael Roth is great, one of the Gamecock greats.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
Agreed Jefe some just have to argue about everything... Roth had a great career here and will always be a winner
Michael Roth has become one of my favorite Gamecocks of all time regardless of sport. He will be successful in life no matter which path he chooses.
must you poop on everything?
Ok Al, what are your requirements other than on the field accomplishments to be the greatest. Surely being on the deans list and being as mature and likeable as Roth is couldn't possibly be on it! Name your greatest and why, not a list but ONE
Let me just add some stats: Roth career at Carolina Stadium in the NCAA Tournament: 32.2 IP, 20H, 5R, 3 ER.... 0.83 ERA.
If during that run of fb success Garcia had been a finalist for the Heisman and we had won two National Titles then yes. You absolutely cannot separate a stud pitcher from team runs of excellence in baseball. Without his excellence on the bump we dont have any natty titles. Beyond that if you knew anyone within the program would understand what kind of leader he has been especially this year.
George Rogers. All-American. Heisman Trophy. Statistically, the best RB ever at USC.
I assume with that uninformed response that you never saw Earl Bass or Randy Martz pitch or have looked at their overall records and postseason awards. Think before you post.
I didn't say that Roth was the best USC pitcher ever. I said he was arguably the best pitcher ever. The question is up for debate at the very least. If you'd bothered to read all my posts in this thread you'd know that I consider Roth to be, at best, the third best pitcher in USC history. The two best, IMO, are Bass and Bouknight. Martz had one special year but I wouldn't include him among the best because he only pitched that one year.
Touché! Can't argue with that either
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