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There were rumors a year ago that FSU and Clemson were coming to the SEC. While interesting, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The SEC has to be looking to expand into a state that they are currently not in. The Virginia schools could be a possibility but I would love to see UNC and Duke come in. It improves the academics, improves basketball and baseball and gets the conference into the state of NC. According to reports the SEC has been trying to get them in for the last three years.....The article is linked
I wouldn't want either one in the SEC. Screw 'em both!
Not going to add 2 universities from the same state. That's thier argument against adding GA Tech, Clem, and FSU. It'll be NCSU/UNC and VT.
There is no way the SEC would allow two member institutions from the same state. Well except for Alabama (Alabama and Auburn) and Mississippi (Ole Miss and Miss State) and Tennessee (Tennessee and Vanderbilt).
I know the SEC (along with other power conferences) are mostly interested in building their brand and increasing their market footprint. I think there are four schools in the ACC that would benefit the SEC - 1) Virginia Tech 2) Virginia 3) NC State 4) Miami. I don't think Florida has the same problems with Miami they do with FSU so they might not be a dealbreaker. Either Virginia Tech or UVa would bring the state of Virginia, and NC State would bring the state of North Carolina. I don't think UNC is an option and I don't think Duke would bring as much to the table.
I understand what some are saying about not getting two from one state...but getting Duke and UNC would be very different. Both are national names, have national watching eye balls in basketball, and would expand our academic brand. No way we take VT/UVA, or UN/NCSU, or wake...but I could see this. The SEC would do it if that's what it took to get UNC...Whittle/Tony/Wes do you agree?
How long have those member institutions been members of the SEC? The member institutions you mentioned have been members since the 1930's. Conferences are expanding for one reason now, money. If you're going to be a smart-ass at least put some thought into the reply.
MCR is on the right page. The SEC adding both unc and Duke make no sense no matter how much national brand this board thinks both schools have. Duke and unc both bring the exact same TV dollars to our SEC contract that unc OR NC STATE would bring alone. It is the same TV market.
It makes more sense for the SEC to add either unc or NC State or Duke along with a Virginia school either UVA or Virginia Tech.
Personally I hate unc and would prefer to add NC State. I do not want the flagship school (unc) in the state of North Carolina to have the advantage of being in the SEC. It would eventually be trouble for us here in Columbia. NC State in the SEC would make it more difficult for unc to ever become a perennial power in football.
It will be NCST and VPI
Value of Duke and UNC brands outweighs not having a team in the Virginia market.
I think UNC's ego will get in the way of that happening.
Would take Virginia and GT defection to B1G and/or Clemson/FSU defection to Big12.
Even then I think they end up in an 18 team B1G. In that case SEC ends up with VTech and NC State
Bom, I think the real value any conference wants in expansion is the money cable TV adds by having a team in a new market. Therefore adding a second team from the exact same TV market ie Duke and unc adds zero value. I do not think the perceived national brand of any given team is much of a factor in current conference expansion.
I too think unc's ego and reluctance to seperate from Duke will ultimately keep the acc together along with the continued merging with the Big East football schools. I expect Cincy and WV to eventually be in the acc.
I really don't want any expansion from North of us. We are the closest SEC school for any of the kids in the Northeast, and it has helped us get a few of them. I think we will continue to grab a few based on that alone (although I feel like we could really make a killing if we pushed harder). However, you start adding a VaPolyTech or uncarolina and they have that advantage. I do think it's unavoidable however.
No reason to bring in 2 schools from the SAME state (NC), compared to the sensible idea of bringing in 2 schools from 2 new and different states. That is what "my sources" have indicated to me. No credibility whatsoever to that blog posting. Just speculation.
FSU and Clemmy:
Easy answer.......won't ever happen. SEC will not duplicate a covered market.
Virginia and North Carolina are two states that we will tap.
My best estimate is VT and NC State. (I would personally take UVA for the Richmond, DC area.)
There. Print that. (And remind me down the road if I am way, way off base.)
I know I can count on you all for that.
Interesting topic & Clay travis from Outkick The Coverage, a SEC blogger, is personal friends w/ Slive & has been all over this for a few yrs. He called the Mizzou/ A&M move well in advance & was the 1st I saw stating the CU/FSU/GT & L'ville will never get in theme. He's done some recent articles on this & fwiw...he says Slive's HR is UNC & Va Tech. However, he puts the %'s right now on NC ST & VT but says UNC is much more likely than thought to be a yr or 2 ago & exploring their options. He says Slive's format is:
4 4 team divisions;
SEC East: Florida, South Carolina, Va Tech & NC/NCST
SEC Central: Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky & Vandy
SEC South: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss & Miss St
SEC West: LSU, Tx A&M, Arky & Mizzou
4 team playoff of division winners to be in Atl & Dallas w/ Championship game rotating b/t the 2
SECW vs SECS & SECE vs SECC but could be a 1 vs 4/ 2 vs 3
* 3 div games, 2 perm cross div games & 3 rotating cross div games but not a home & home w/ cross divisional games, just a 1 yr rotation & play opposite venue next time 2 teams rotate on. this allows to play every1 in 3 yr span.
some of his projected perm's
Bama ( UT, LSU)
UGA ( Aub/ UF )
UF ( UT, LSU)
UT ( UF, Bama)
SCar ( Arky, Vandy)
LSU ( Bama, UF )
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