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I could get down with that.
I just don't see how you can say this with any certainty. Ill admit its possible, but to me it seems unlikely that adding Duke brings in more money than VT.
You are correct that I am speaking with too much certainty.
I dont know how all the money would play out.
UNC and VaTech could very well make the SEC more money.
I do think people are underestimating the worth of Duke and UNC together though
Would absolutely skyrocket basketball money ...
That doesn't hold a lot of water considering those are "Old guard" SEC schools. Vandy and one of the MS schools probably woudn't get in now. Allbarn probably wouldn't either as Bama wields to much power. The conference was built before TV money drove the bus. Adding two schools from the same state now doesn't add enough TV's to the package in most cases.
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Duke brings absolutely nothing to SEC football.....less than 35,000 home attendance and would attract very few TV's. It makes zero sense financially to bring in 2 schools from the same state. UNC is the top dog, but NC State ain't bad.
Duke/UNC is the exception to that general construct.
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Imagine a basketball league with Duke, UNC, and Kentucky. The top 3 most followed basketball schools. Throw in Florida, which has become a basketball power under Donovan. They are not followed as much, but adding 2-3 match-ups a year against Duke and UNC will help their brand. You could make an argument that these four plus Michigan State have been the top 5 basketball programs in the country for the last 10 years.
I believe that combining the Duke and UNC basketball brand with Kentucky and Florida is easily worth more money than adding UVA and is greater than or equal to adding VT for football. There is no way that adding UNC and Duke is worth less than adding UNC and VT or NC State and VT.
The best bet recruiting wise (we have been doing good in NC lately) would be NC State and VT. NC State will always be little brother to UNC in that state. UNC in the SEC will be able to get some athletes. But it is not a sure bet. They get great athletes now and still haven't been to the ACC Championship game.
The best bet money wise would be UNC and Duke. Adding UNC would be a HUGE football rivalry game every year.
Our basketball team looks like it will be significantly better soon. We have Thornwell and Stroman coming in. We can potentially add Peak. We will need to add some more size, but I have faith that Frank Martin can pull something together. Imagine having a team that could at least compete with UNC and Duke. This would be a huge boost for the Colonial Life Area and give us potentially two more sold out games a year. $$$
No it isn't. Nobody associated with Duke gives a damn about football. Duke and probably UNC will end up in the Big 10.
Duke and nc re worth the add in basketball alone.
The SEC could be a football and basketball league.
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Exactly... we are already the best football league. We are already the best baseball league. Adding Duke and UNC could make us the best basketball league. Women's basketball would also benefit haha.
I think both schools care about football. Duke hired David Cutcliffe who is doing a pretty good job so far. He may be there Lou Holtz but might also continue building a program to a better level. UNC took a flyer on Butch Davis because they know he can teach technique and game strategy. His problem is following the rules. Both schools have shown more of a commitment to football recently and I think if they joined the SEC the additional SEC money would allow the schools to build out facilities and attract higher level talent. They could then compete for middle tier SEC range which is still better than middle tier ACC.
For those that say Duke brings in more than VT because of basketball have you considered the negative impact on football? Duke would play 8-9 conference games per year. No one is going to watch. Duke had 1 game on ESPN2 this season.
USC vs. Duke or VT
UGA vs. Duke or VT
UF vs. Duke or VT
By replacing Duke with VT you automatically change 4-5 games a year from internet broadcast to national games. The ACC and Big East have tried the basketball route and its a disaster.
You being way too pessimistic about Duke. Yes, football is the main driver of this expansion. But we already have UGA, TN, LSU, Bama, UF and others that already give us a lion's share of the national games. I believe adding VT over Duke is not that that big of a driver in television ratings. Especially after Beamer leaves.
2 UNC-Duke basketball games, 2 UNC-UK basketball games, 2 Duke-UK games (ok it may be only 1 a year in some cases in each of these due to conference size), and the SEC tourney every year with these teams is worth just as much if not more than having VT football over Duke basketball.
Saying the ACC and Big East have tried the basketball route is short-sighted. They don't have nearly as much powerhouse football programs already in the stable.
The last 3 Duke UNC basketball matchups have had TV ratings of 2.2, 1.5, and 1.4. VT vs GT football this season had a 2.8. I imagine games vs. UGA/USC/UF etc. would push 3.0.
Each week there will be more than enough premium matchups for ESPN and CBS to showcase
Duke football games will end up helping provide filler for the SEC Network
And then there is:
- Vastly strengthening SEC basketball (and more tv money)
- Locking down North Carolina market
- Being able to sell SEC Network for more in markets across the country
- Keeping B1G out of the South
- Significantly enhancing SEC academics
Look I'll be fine with (and may even prefer) VaTech and NC State.
But I do not want Duke and UNC to end up B1G members.
And i think many folks are badly underestimating the potential worth of UNC and Duke to the SEC.
They are elite institutions. And worth tons of $$$
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