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When we recruit these kids, we love the to sell them on getting them into the NFL. When they decide to leave after 3 years, we say they need more time, they are making a mistake, etc.
Good luck Ace!!
That's what I'm saying. Thank you, Ace, for making me laugh at people trying to tackle you.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
It's called being a big time program. Still lots of people that don't quite understand that around here.
Very true. The bad thing is people are so upset that he's leaving yet don't think he will get drafted in the top 100 picks. If he isn't that good in their opinion why are they whining because he's not here anymore.
The day we don't have juniors leaving early is the day we go back to having a team full of scrubs. For selfish reasons I'd love to have Ace back but the reality is good programs deal with this sort of attrition all the time and if you're don't....you're not doing it right.
Someone will step up at Wr, and someone will step up on ST returns. Gonna miss watching Ace, but we'll be fine. Best of luck to him on Sundays!
I have no idea if this is a good decision or not. I'm very happy for him but as a fan, disappointed. We've lost lots of great players over the past few years, some that left early, some that got injured and some that stayed all 4 years and graduated. We'll be fine without him. I'm sure there will be other guys that will step up and fill in where Ace left off. What I did see though that is interesting is this tweet:
"Record 74 and counting underclassman attempting to join the ranks of the NFL. Time will tell if they have chosen wisely."
Some of these guys are going to be very disappointed when the draft is over I'm afraid (and I'm not specifically calling Ace out here).
This misses the point completely. It has nothing to do with Ace. Every single time we have had a guy slotted in the top 4 rounds (and some even later like Geathers)...they leave. That is a culture thing. It's a big picture thing. This doesn't happen as regularly at most other schools...especially schools that win big.
Spurrier has done wonders to change our culture...moreso than anyone rationally should have thought he would. This just happens to be one of the 'bad' things left that has yet to change, and hopefully it will.
It's not anything to be upset with Ace about, or the many other guys who left early (some too early)...it's a culture thing that needs to change. Sure hope someone knows how to fix it :)
Dude, kids like Gilmore, Clowney, Alshon, etc.....should leave early. They are top flight talents and very high picks(Alshon should have been a 1st rounder, imo). Kids like Ace, E. Cook, Geathers, etc....should not leave early. Its really quite simple. If you have a pretty good shot at being a 1st rounder, you should go. If you are a lock for the 1st or 2nd I could certainly see going b/c you wont go past the 2nd. However, Ace is no lock for the 2nd. I expect to see him off the board on day 3. Most likely as a 4th or 5th round pick. He could come back, have a productive 1000+ yard season and move up to a sure fire 2nd rounder(he's never going to be a 1st rounder). He could also help us compete for a Natty with our relatively easy schedule. Say what you want but he's making an impulsive decision, imo.
I don't think think this is a culture thing. I think he just realized that this is probably his best shot at the NFL, and that he had infinitely more to lose than to gain by coming back. I also think you shouldn't lump all of these cases into one category, you have to look at them individually. I thought Gurley & Geathers should have stayed, but think Ace is making a good decision.
I also think Spurrier IS fostering the right culture...help them get the facts, treat them like adults, support their decision whether he thinks it's good or bad, thank them for their contributions to the program, and help them any way he can, and NOT putting his or the program's best interest ahead of the players (unlike that selfish, orange clad, SOB, snake oil salesman in the upstate).
his draft stock is not going to improve with another year. He needs to strike while the iron is hot. You are being selfish. He also received a 2nd/3rd round grade. Whether he goes then or not remains to be seen.
My only beef was him saying he was coming back and then flip flopping. He should have just waited until after the 15th to inform the public of his decision.
Elliott "Small" Fry
I think Tony Morell said Ace got a 4th round grade. SOS has never changed his stance on entering the draft early. If a player gets first round grade, he says go. If not, then he thinks they should stay and give it another shot at first round next year. I don;t know that he has eve told a player not to go to the NFL but I feel sure he has told some they have a better chance at having an NFL career with 4 years in college than with only 3 years in college.
Yes Tony did say that, can't recall where I read that it was a 2 or 3 round grade.
Disagree - but good arguments and conversation. I think anyone other than whoever is telling him he's a 2nd rounder realizes he has more to gain coming back than leaving. And that's not being selfish, unless you mean being selfish about what's best for Ace.
And they absolutely have to all be lumped into one category - because they all fit - which at this point makes them a trend. IT's a forest for the trees thing. Forget for a second individual opinions about whether a particular individual should have stayed or left - those will always vary. Fact is that at USC if a kid is even sniffing the top 4 rounds (and some cases even those who aren't) he leaves. Seemingly moreso than just about any other school, including schools who have first round type kids come back. Many of them quote the school, or enjoying college, or teammates, or wanting to win a championship, etc. At USC we have nobody saying that - they just leave.
That is culture - plain and simple. I'm not bitching about it - it's just a fact and a trend at this point. I wish I knew the fix, but i'm also not going to complain because of the positive culture change we've seen in so many other areas. I also think Spurrier is putting the player's best interest first, because his policy of 'if first round then leave' is mostly the correct one. The difference is Spurrier isn't going to make a media event out of a kid staying or leaving - he'll just repeat his stance that if the kid is a first rounder then he should leave. Which means he disagrees with Ace's decision - he's just not going to broadcast it because that is the correct response.
I'm not sure what the issue is - it's just weird. Maybe the agents hanging around these guys are just better at selling them, making them believe they'll go higher than they actually will...who knows?
As for individual decisions - the only kids who IMHO made the correct decision to leave are Williamson and Lattimore. Everyone else made the wrong choice - including Sidney Rice. Hindsight is 20/20, but Rice cost himself a lot of money in his first contract by leaving early. He went against the injury/performance odds and bagged a great second contract - which is awesome. But the year he left was a great WR class, so he dropped. The next year the WR sucked, and he would have gone much higher, and even with his second contract would have made more money at this point.
Either way - our guys are leaving at a higher rate than most - not sure why. Hope they all succeed but also hope at some point we fix whatever it is that makes some of the guys make the wrong decision.
No doubt we'll miss his return skills, but I have a hunch we'll be better at WR with Smith and a much improved Roland.
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