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Daily 5: Next to commit

  • steve miller said...

    You have nothing to argue with that these are not excellent athletes.

    I will help you understand why we take a commitment from a player: The coaches have evaluated said player, and have determined that said player has the characteristics to play the position he is needed to play.

    No matter what our record has been the last couple of years, if we just go after out of state guys with huge offer lists, we are going to lose out most of the time. This is for the same reason that we are able to get the best players in our state to sign with us. We are not Southern Cal or Notre Dame, or a school with a storied tradition that is going to make out of state prospects googly eyed when we talk to them. Take Greg Bryant, for example. He had stated that he was interested in us, yet as soon as he went to OK, he committed. We do not have that type of status, yet.

    For those that cannot understand it, these out of state guys grew up watching their teams beat the ever living crap out of us. That is hard to overcome with a couple of successful years. We either have to accept that our coaches are going to locate, and find good players that are under the radar for whatever reason, and may not have an impressive offer list, or live with frustration.

    We will get our share of 4* guys, but we will also get our share of less renown guys, and that is the way it is going to be for at least 5 or 6 years.

    And how many Championships have we one doing it that way?

    GamecockWorld

  • Cocked&Locked said...

    For all you naysayers, you all do realize it is early in this year's recruiting cycle. Most of these kids have been evaluated based on their Junior seasons, and some have not been evaluated at all. Some kids don't play significant roles on their teams until their Junior and Senior seasons because of the depth of talent and experience at their positions playing in front of them.

    Additionally, not every high school has the same type of exposure to the recruiting circut as the major high schools in their county, region or state. Sometimes scouts and recruiters overlook players at some of the lesser known schools, or more so, schools that don't produce consistent D1 talent. Think about how many high school football players there are compared to the amount of scouting and recruiting professionals there are, the difference is staggering.

    Some of you need to learn how to think critically and objectively.

    I am not a naysayer I am just saying why not wait to take these commitments in 6 months from now. I know the staff turnover hurt us this year with recruits and that's probably why we are taking these commitments from recruits who are going to be projects.

    GamecockWorld

  • GamecockWorld said...

    And how many Championships have we one doing it that way?

    That is my point. Schools like Fla, who we consider below us, are schools that have recent championships, thus are hard for us to compete with for out of state recruits.

    We cannot change who we are. It is a process of building our image as a national power, and we are not there yet. We are going to have to continue the process of steady improvement. These players we have offered are going to be part of that.

    We are not going to go out and sign a top 5 class right now, unless SC has a freakish amount of talent in the next couple of years. We will get a few very highly regarded recruits, and a bunch of solid guys to build around the stars. A few of the stars will be guys that were not as highly rated. That has been, and will continue to be our formula for building our program. We have to trust the process.

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  • i will say this the stars dont really mean anything cause its about how you perform or transition into the next level. you have five stars player that are sitting the bench or getting the big head and going pro after one starting season and they dont last 3 years in the nfl. but you have a bunch of 2, 3, 4 star players end up being stars in college and the NFL. wasnt melvin ingram a 3 star player?

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  • mickey h said...

    i will say this the stars dont really mean anything cause its about how you perform or transition into the next level. you have five stars player that are sitting the bench or getting the big head and going pro after one starting season and they dont last 3 years in the nfl. but you have a bunch of 2, 3, 4 star players end up being stars in college and the NFL. wasnt melvin ingram a 3 star player?

    Melvin was a 4*. But, Devin Taylor was a 3, along with Norwood, Connor Shaw, Antonio Allen, DJ Swearinger, and most of our core players. We have also had quite a bit of success with 4* guys. We get elite players, and build a solid team around those guys.

    The fact of the matter is our coaches have no idea, nor do they care what recruiting sights rank the guys they recruit. I mean that with all due respect to the great staff here at TBS. They make their own evaluations based on position specific and scheme specific attributes that they see in particular athletes. We will get players that will develop into elite SEC guys, these coaches have proven that over time. Jr is still the RC, and tracks and ultimately approves who we take.

    We are not going to come of of our best season ever and sign a bunch of guys that should be playing in the SoCon. We have some new coaches, but the core of Elliot, Ward, Jr, and Mangus are still the one's that the HBC puts his trust into. They have the say in who we take commits from. I would hope that the progress we have made with these coaches at the helm has convinced us to trust in the process

    This post was edited by steve miller on 4/25/2012 at 1:41 PM

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  • steve miller said...

    Melvin was a 4*. But, Devin Taylor was a 3, along with Norwood, Connor Shaw, Antonio Allen, DJ Swearinger, and most of our core players. We have also had quite a bit of success with 4* guys. We get elite players, and build a solid team around those guys.

    The fact of the matter is our coaches have no idea, nor do they care what recruiting sights rank the guys they recruit. I mean that with all due respect to the great staff here at TBS. They make their own evaluations based on position specific and scheme specific attributes that they see in particular athletes. We will get players that will develop into elite SEC guys, these coaches have proven that over time. Jr is still the RC, and tracks and ultimately approves who we take.

    We are not going to come of of our best season ever and sign a bunch of guys that should be playing in the SoCon. We have some new coaches, but the core of Elliot, Ward, Jr, and Mangus are still the one's that the HBC puts his trust into. They have the say in who we take commits from. I would hope that the progress we have made with these coaches at the helm has convinced us to trust in the process

    Devin Taylor would have been ranked way higher but he academic issues. DJ Swearinger was recruited very heavily. So was Connor Shaw.

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  • GamecockWorld said...

    Devin Taylor would have been ranked way higher but he academic issues. DJ Swearinger was recruited very heavily. So was Connor Shaw.

    I am pretty sure you are wrong about Devin Taylor. He was recruited by Duke, and am pretty sure he was an honor role student. His mother is a teacher. I know he is a very, very bright young man.

    All of these guys will be recruited heavily in about 4 months also. if we wait to take a commitment from them until then, we lose our credibility. If we wait until they are offered by a bunch of other schools, people will complain that we are not evaluating good enough to get on kids early. If we offer them early, people call them a reach, because of their limited offers.

    We got on Darius English early, when he had few offers, and it paid off. Being the first to offer a kid carries a lot of weight.

    Also, calling some of these guys 'projects' makes no sense. Every player is a project in that they have to learn the system. I assure you, the coaches have a specific role they are recruiting these guys for. The expectation is the same for all the players they bring in: you compete in practice, and if you are the guy, then you start. Every recruit is a project, even Clowney.

    This post was edited by steve miller on 4/25/2012 at 2:02 PM

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  • GamecockWorld said...

    I know the staff turnover hurt us this year with recruits and that's probably why we are taking these commitments from recruits who are going to be projects.

    What makes you think that these guys are projects? Do you know them personally? Have you seen their film? Have you monitored their development? What credentials do you have to evaluate football talent? There must be some logical reason why our coaches offered some of these players that you, for whatever reason, are unwilling to accept.

    Whittle already pwned you on your "wait 6 months" nonsense. What happens 6 months down the line the same recruits start gaining some serious offers from major D1 schools? Will you still be bitching about our coaches offering them then? Who knows, some of these kids may decide to commit elsewhere. Just learn to have some trust in our staff and wait until things unfold before you begin casting judgement based on speculation.

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  • BTW, Devin Taylor had a 3.45 GPA in high school.

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  • Cocked&Locked said...

    What makes you think that these guys are projects? Do you know them personally? Have you seen their film? Have you monitored their development? What credentials do you have to evaluate football talent? There must be some logical reason why our coaches offered some of these players that you, for whatever reason, are unwilling to accept.

    Whittle already pwned you on your "wait 6 months" nonsense. What happens 6 months down the line the same recruits start gaining some serious offers from major D1 schools? Will you still be bitching about our coaches offering them then? Who knows, some of these kids may decide to commit elsewhere. Just learn to have some trust in our staff and wait until things unfold before you begin casting judgement based on speculation.

    Whittle didn't pawn me! They should not have been offered a scholarship by us this soon. If they blow up I would be shocked because you rarely ever see a recruit go from zero stars or one star to 4 stars over 6 months.

    GamecockWorld

  • steve miller said...

    BTW, Devin Taylor had a 3.45 GPA in high school.

    I was wrong about Devin Taylor grades I was thinking about Chaz Sutton. I man up on that mistake.

    This post was edited by GamecockWorld on 4/25/2012 at 4:03 PM

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  • GamecockWorld said...

    I was wrong about Devin Taylor grades I was thinking about Chaz Sitting. I man up on that mistake.

    Mistake number two - Chaz Sutton and hopefully he won't be sitting this season. But i do wish you had not brought him up because he will be used as evidence against our argument because he was rated a high 4 star and we got him after that weak Fla program dropped him.

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  • CockOracle said...

    Mistake number two - Chaz Sutton and hopefully he won't be sitting this season. But i do wish you had not brought him up because he will be used as evidence against our argument because he was rated a high 4 star and we got him after that weak Fla program dropped him.

    I know Chaz Sutton was a 4 star but I thought he had some academic issues?

    GamecockWorld

  • GamecockWorld said...

    I know Chaz Sutton was a 4 star but I thought he had some academic issues?

    He did, I think he went to prep.

    We all know that if it wasn't for these all-universe DE's we have had that Chaz would be starting, and being very productive for us. He certainly looks the part, and by all indications will be the first off the bench this year. I expect him to be out there almost every third down, as they will move Clowney inside.

    Clowney matched up with a guard is a joke of a mismatch.

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  • GamecockWorld said...

    Whittle didn't pawn me! They should not have been offered a scholarship by us this soon. If they blow up I would be shocked because you rarely ever see a recruit go from zero stars or one star to 4 stars over 6 months.

    Who is zero or one star? The one's being complained about are 3* guys.

    a 3 rating means that they are a projected starter at a BCS school, with all conference ability and NFL potential. How can anyone be complaining about that?

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  • steve miller said...

    Who is zero or one star? The one's being complained about are 3* guys.

    a 3 rating means that they are a projected starter at a BCS school, with all conference ability and NFL potential. How can anyone be complaining about that?

    Not me...the ones I am thinking about are 2* and a few weren't even rated.

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  • What a lot of u guys fail to realize is that maybe our coaches are making outstanding assessments of these kids. If Alabama was to offer one of these kids before us then our offer is justified huh? I don't think it's anything wrong with our offers or commits. While I would like to see 4 or 5 stars just as much as the next fan, I have full trust in our staff's ability to prospect recruits. I just don't think we should worry about who is offering guys we recruit.

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