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FSU's President fires first shot in acedemic vs. athletic battle

  • The line has now been drawn. FSU's President Dr. Eric Barron came out with a memo today with 4 reasons to leave and seven reasons to stay. Two lines in his memo clearly define where he stands and in which bed he has chosen to lie:

    "The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker."

    "We can't afford to have conference affiliation governed by emotion."

    Given the words of the Board of Trustee's Chair last night, it will be very interesting to see who wins this new war and who remains at the school when the dust settles.

    Here is the full memo:

    I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:

    In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:
    1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC
    2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools
    3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU
    4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.

    But, in contrast,

    1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball ­ there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.

    2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.

    3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games ­ the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract ­ actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.

    4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.

    5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium.

    6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC ­ we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.

    7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker ­ and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.

    I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion. It has to be based on a careful assessment of athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by USCManager on 5/14/2012 at 2:28 PM

    Florida State Seminoles president Eric Barron outlines pros, cons of ACC alignment - ESPN

    Florida State president Dr. Eric Barron has written a memo that includes four key points that would support a move from the ACC to the Big 12 and seven longer key points that argue against it.

    espn.go.com

    Big 12 Expansion: FSU President States Case Against Leaving ACC - SBNation.com

    SB Nation is a collection of over 300 individual communities, each offering high quality year-round coverage and conversation led by fans who are passionate about their favorite teams, leagues or sports. By empowering fans, SB Nation has become the largest and fastest growing grassroots sports network.

    www.sbnation.com

    Warchant.com - FSU BOT Chair blasts ACC, opens door for Big 12

    Complete football, basketball, baseball and recruiting coverage and breaking news of the Florida State University Seminoles.

    floridastate.rivals.com

    USCManager

  • Yeah, they really take academics serious at FSU:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292

    The Florida State football team will vacate an undetermined number of wins, serve four years' probation, and face a reduction in scholarships and other penalties due to what the NCAA described Friday as "major violations" from an academic cheating scandal.

    Nine other programs were also penalized -- baseball, men's track and field, women's track and field, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's basketball, women's basketball, softball and men's golf -- and face the same sanctions. Overall, the scandal involved 61 athletes.

    Bookmaker03

  • Good find...

    The really important part of all that was---

    If FSU doesn't ahve any options, Clemson doesn't enjoy any options...

    The continued slide into college football irrelevance continues for the Tigers.

    GCIT

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  • People argue until they are blue in the face about which conference is athletically better than which conference. People make all kind of arguments and manipulate all kind of evidence to bolster their case. Wouldn't it be the same for academics? Further to the point, one joins an "athletic" conference, what does that really have to do with the academic reputations of the schools?

    redfisherman

  • redfisherman said...

    People argue until they are blue in the face about which conference is athletically better than which conference. People make all kind of arguments and manipulate all kind of evidence to bolster their case. Wouldn't it be the same for academics? Further to the point, one joins an "athletic" conference, what does that really have to do with the academic reputations of the schools?

    add to that the blatant academic FRAUD that has been taking place at UNC for the last couple of years... it's a sham!

    GCIT

  • The Big12 should have gotten Boise St. Why did they not get them? Also, they need to get Wyoming, who has been scratching the surface in football for years. Recruits would go to Wyoming, if they just had a reason to. Wyoming is a beautiful state.

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  • steve miller said...

    The Big12 should have gotten Boise St. Why did they not get them? Also, they need to get Wyoming, who has been scratching the surface in football for years. Recruits would go to Wyoming, if they just had a reason to. Wyoming is a beautiful state.

    Parts of it.... yes.

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  • The fact that he openly admits the ACC is too basketball and NC centered is interesting to me. I am surprised the other schools let them have so much power.

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  • The irony in misspelling "acedemic" in the title is pretty funny.

    However. Thanks for the info.

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  • Choice is one boring set of opponents vs. a different boring set of opponents.

    FSU vs. Kansas or Iowa State doesn't exactly get my blood pumping.

    Kelso Red

  • steve miller said...

    The Big12 should have gotten Boise St. Why did they not get them? Also, they need to get Wyoming, who has been scratching the surface in football for years. Recruits would go to Wyoming, if they just had a reason to. Wyoming is a beautiful state.

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  • A very reasonable response. After seeing this I don't see how FSU can leave. The ACC is in a tough spot. As Spurrier might say "it is what it is".

    gsocock

  • I agree with him. I personally don't understand why any eastern school would want to join the Big 12, which is vastly and unmistakably different than two western teams joining the SEC. The travel expenses alone make more sense than anything, and why would you volunteer to be Texas' new little bitch? And please don't think that FSU, or any other team for that matter, would have any resemblance of equality in a league where the Longhorns reign supreme.
    The SEC is an equal sharing conference and aTm and Missouri made an unmistakable move up in pay, relevance, and exposure.
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    How about the players' parents? FSU recruits a local boy from an average working class family or god forbid, a low income family, and you've just effectively told the player that his parents won't be able to see him play in person because they can't afford the traveling expenses.
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    Hey, I have an idea for FSU... try winning again, that'll help the coffers.

    CockyMike1

  • Sounds like the FSU president is giving a shout out to the other acc schools because FSU may go looking at other conferences and they don't want any repercussions from the other schools or conference.

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  • nice read thanks for the information

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