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  • europhilz said...

    Thanks for your opinion on the lack of offers.

    But, as to the list for Taylor, that 2 schools that have won a conference title, 2 that have been to a bcs bowl, an in-state school and 2 more power conference school. Not exactly jsu and the hilltoppers.

    Yeah, Devin Taylor isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. Besides, I thought he was a three-star recruit.

    Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty

    MrBigAl

  • MrBigAl said...

    Yeah, Devin Taylor isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. Besides, I thought he was a three-star recruit.

    He had a mix of 3* ad 2* ratings. Regardless, point is, you shouldn't jump the gun on judging a recruit just because of his offer sheet or his star rating. If someone on the staff has confidence that he can get the job done in his career at USC, then trust their judgement. That's all I'll say, each of you has an opinion on the subject and that's awesome. Just be careful on dissing someone on here.

    "I used to walk up a hill to and from school in my days", says every Clemson student ever.

    jbaker8537

  • Joseph Baker said...

    He had a mix of 3* ad 2* ratings. Regardless, point is, you shouldn't jump the gun on judging a recruit just because of his offer sheet or his star rating. If someone on the staff has confidence that he can get the job done in his career at USC, then trust their judgement. That's all I'll say, each of you has an opinion on the subject and that's awesome. Just be careful on dissing someone on here.

    One positive trend during the Spurrier era...the number of 2-star recruits has significantly decreased.

    The class of 2004, the last class signed by Lou Holtz, contained the following 2-star prospects:

    Ko Simpson
    John Paul Gillis
    Chris Hampton
    Antonio Lamar
    Alonzo Middleton
    Grayson Mullins
    Brandon Samuels
    Evan Spanogians
    Gurminder Thind
    Trent Usher
    Stoney Woodson
    Dusty Lindsey
    Jordin Lindsey
    Jamon Meredith

    Trust the coaches?

    Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty

    MrBigAl

  • Thanks for the tidbit.

    I thought the internet was off limits to certain people and was only accessible to special people.

    Those kind of comments have been made about prospects on internet recruiting message boards since the day they
    were invented in the 1990's. It's part of what they are and what they always have been, like it or not .... Welcome aboard.

    This post was edited by 77 Gamecock on 4/15/2012 at 11:16 PM

    77 Gamecock

  • Joseph Baker said...

    He had a mix of 3* ad 2* ratings. Regardless, point is, you shouldn't jump the gun on judging a recruit just because of his offer sheet or his star rating. If someone on the staff has confidence that he can get the job done in his career at USC, then trust their judgement. That's all I'll say, each of you has an opinion on the subject and that's awesome. Just be careful on dissing someone on here.

    It's more fun to stir the pot. I think some just like to stir. If Feb comes around and this kid still only has offers from WK and Jax than maybe the coaches reached. I bet you one thing the kid will start getting looked at really hard now with a legit USC offer and it want be long until he gets another offer.

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  • I mean what is it going to help if a few Monday morning quarterbacks bash the judgement of the staff and berate a 16 year old kid's skillset? Is the staff gonna read the opinions of a few notorious know-it-alls and say, "Whoa guys we might have reached a little on that one. Looks like Euro and Al hate the kid's offer list. Let's call him tell him the bad news." Truth is everyone hear pays a few bucks to stay in the loop and voice their opinions freely but this site is not a democracy it's a benevolent dictatorship as it should be. If a mod has to take the time to post a warning in regards to my toxic opinion that tells me maybe it's not such a good idea to die on that hill. If my thoughts become detrimental to the view of our program in respect to recruits I will zip my hole and enjoy the spot insider info. The late Walter Martin once said, "Controversy for the sake of controversy is wrong but controversy for the sake of truth is divine." We don't know the full truth because we don't sit in the war room so bashing the guy and our staff so early in the process is to me, just wrong.

    monkboone

  • I think character, smarts and work ethic are very under appreciated in todays sports. I would take a bunch of those types and build my program with them...sprinkle in a few monsters and go to war. It seems to me that character has become a much bigger priority of late with this staffs recruiting...and I think it is paying off.

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    cocky4now

  • Kelso Red said...

    My guess would be that it all evens out, because every fanbase has its share of cranks and the clueless.

    We are supposed to be better than that. I have said it before, and I am not speaking to you, but the recent, and I mean very brief and recent, success of our football program could be the worse thing that ever happened to us.

    We have one, ONE 11 win season, and people start getting arrogant and entitled, like jawja and klimpson fans. Woodrow, who is a tater, is more complimentary of our staff and players than many USC fans on this board. Whether he is entirely genuine or not is debatable, but the facts are what they are. All of this constant questioning of the staff and their recruiting decisions depresses me. Questioning a kids ability, or a coaches recruitng decisions is going to change NOTHING. The people crying in their beers are going to have to live with the staff's decisions. I am terrified that we are going to lose a recruit because of the arrogance of a few of our fans.

    Lets just welcome all recruits and let the chips fall where they may. We are going to have to live with them regardless. EVERY recruit offered by our staff this year looks beyond capable to me, especially this Camara kid.

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    steve miller

  • MrBigAl said...

    One positive trend during the Spurrier era...the number of 2-star recruits has significantly decreased.

    The class of 2004, the last class signed by Lou Holtz, contained the following 2-star prospects:

    Ko Simpson John Paul Gillis Chris Hampton Antonio Lamar Alonzo Middleton Grayson Mullins Brandon Samuels Evan Spanogians Gurminder Thind Trent Usher Stoney Woodson Dusty Lindsey Jordin Lindsey Jamon Meredith

    Trust the coaches?

    And what does Spurrier's recruiting have to do with a Holtz class from 8 years ago?

    LexSpur

  • LexSpur said...

    And what does Spurrier's recruiting have to do with a Holtz class from 8 years ago?

    BigGal is clueless. Even out of those players, Ko, Hampton, Stoney, both Lindsey's, and Meredith were solid contributors. Ko, stoney, and Jamon all signed nfl contracts.

    Zenupe13

  • Point taken.

    Groovy

  • I personally don't see what's wrong with questioning a recruit from Georgia with these type of offers. I agree we should never belittle anyone - including recruits/players - but you gotta wonder why GT and UGa are not even interested in him. I am not going to question a players ability but to me " offers " are what dictates a players real worth - not star rankings. With that said if the Coaches like him that is fine by me. Let's keep in mind though any Coach can miss on a prospect tho that is yet to be determined.

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  • Zenupe13 said...

    BigGal is clueless. Even out of those players, Ko, Hampton, Stoney, both Lindsey's, and Meredith were solid contributors. Ko, stoney, and Jamon all signed nfl contracts.

    What about the other 9? Trust the coaches?

    Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty

    MrBigAl

  • europhilz said...

    Thanks for your opinion on the lack of offers.

    But, as to the list for Taylor, that 2 schools that have won a conference title, 2 that have been to a bcs bowl, an in-state school and 2 more power conference school. Not exactly jsu and the hilltoppers.

    Eyeroll to this.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xnZ6g14WwY

    Taylor didn't just jump out with these offers (I think Duke and Carolina were his biggest offers for a while). He had very similar ones as Camara at the early stages (aka: where we are right now)

    Joe Tiller used to have to keep his Texas offers silent for a long time because Mack Brown purposely would wait until Purdue would offer to try and steal them away.

    Maybe we've got some hunters and guys willing to do some film work instead of an eye test and a youtube highlight reel. If they say he is a perfect spur then I am excited. He looks like he is gonna grow into a 4-3 linebacker

    fleurdicock

  • MrBigAl said...

    One positive trend during the Spurrier era...the number of 2-star recruits has significantly decreased.

    The class of 2004, the last class signed by Lou Holtz, contained the following 2-star prospects:

    Ko Simpson
    John Paul Gillis
    Chris Hampton
    Antonio Lamar
    Alonzo Middleton
    Grayson Mullins
    Brandon Samuels
    Evan Spanogians
    Gurminder Thind
    Trent Usher
    Stoney Woodson
    Dusty Lindsey
    Jordin Lindsey
    Jamon Meredith

    Trust the coaches?

    Since we aren't taking a class full of two stars, I have no idea how this is comparable.

    If you want to dissect, there are a few good ones in that group (Ko, Stoney, Jamon, Lindsey would be a good 4th DE on this team).

    Guess it goes to show you can miss on some two stars and hit on others. Since this staff has shown it can recruit very high three and four stars consistently, Im going to trust they made a careful evaluation before they sign any two stars.

    It's okay to question. The manner in which many did was what was he bigger issue to me.

    ospop4690

  • fleurdicock said...

    Eyeroll to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xnZ6g14WwY

    Taylor didn't just jump out with these offers (I think Duke and Carolina were his biggest offers for a while). He had very similar ones as Camara at the early stages (aka: where we are right now)

    Joe Tiller used to have to keep his Texas offers silent for a long time because Mack Brown purposely would wait until Purdue would offer to try and steal them away.

    Maybe we've got some hunters and guys willing to do some film work instead of an eye test and a youtube highlight reel. If they say he is a perfect spur then I am excited. He looks like he is gonna grow into a 4-3 linebacker

    Roll your eyes at what? I didn't provide the list. Only facts about those on the list. What exactly did I say that you take issue with?

    Second, I haven't said a single negative thing about the kid, only questioned someone, that said they spoke to people in his area, to see if there was any indication on why those where his only offers. I guess that bothers you?

    europhilz

  • Newbs don't get it

    CaliGamecock9095

  • o'spop said...

    It's okay to question. The manner in which many did was what was he bigger issue to me.

    What would be an acceptable way to question an offer/commitment?

    Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty

    MrBigAl

  • europhilz said...

    Roll your eyes at what? I didn't provide the list. Only facts about those on the list. What exactly did I say that you take issue with?

    Second, I haven't said a single negative thing about the kid, only questioned someone, that said they spoke to people in his area, to see if there was any indication on why those where his only offers. I guess that bothers you?

    Right. The facts about those on the list. But as I stated, Duke and Carolina were his early offers and the rest of the early ones were small schools that didn't even make the list. All the others were offered later or about this time. I'm not saying this kid is going to be Devin, what I am saying is we haven't seen the full list of offers.

    fleurdicock

  • fleurdicock said...

    Right. The facts about those on the list. But as I stated, Duke and Carolina were his early offers and the rest of the early ones were small schools that didn't even make the list. All the others were offered later or about this time. I'm not saying this kid is going to be Devin, what I am saying is we haven't seen the full list of offers.

    Again, I didn't provide the list. Maybe you should have rolled eyes at J Baker.

    It did intrigue me that someone labeled a 'VERY good prospect' by those in his area only has the two offers he does. GA is a heavily recruited state. Sure, some are missed, and this kid may very well fit that bill. We could end up with a steal in Camara. We shall see, if he comes to USC.

    europhilz

  • Well the secret is out now. I expect the offers to come pouring in.

    Good thing we got a big start.

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  • europhilz said...

    Again, I didn't provide the list. Maybe you should have rolled eyes at J Baker.

    It did intrigue me that someone labeled a 'VERY good prospect' by those in his area only has the two offers he does. GA is a heavily recruited state. Sure, some are missed, and this kid may very well fit that bill. We could end up with a steal in Camara. We shall see, if he comes to USC.

    I guess my point was that the list you are providing is that of the time of signing day. Not April 16th a year ahead, which is where we are now with Camara. He may very well have UGA and UF offers by that time. An early offer/relationship may help us stave off a late offer from one of those two

    I am not sure what the complaint is. We aren't just accepting offers willy nilly from 1 and 2 star athletes.

    This whole board is out of control right now about this.

    fleurdicock

  • BCMCock05 said...

    Well the secret is out now. I expect the offers to come pouring in.

    Good thing we got a big start.

    Ryan Brewer's non-offer to the Ohio State "likes" your sarcasm

    fleurdicock

  • Yeah the funny thing is we get in with an early offer and people complain They use to complain if we were late offeriing.If this guy ends up getting a lot of offers wouldn't we look like great? However it is usually the same ones always looking to stir the pot.
    I pretty much agree with your opinion.

    strongfan

  • fleurdicock said...

    This whole board is out of control right now about this.

    Out of control? How so?

    Spurrier...I appreciate him plenty

    MrBigAl