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I want to apologize for jumping to conclusions...

  • I take back all the things I thought and the accusations I made (not on this forum, but in several conversations I had with peers about this yesterday) toward the educators and administrators that Morris Claiborne had during his education, both at LSU and before. I had assumed that this kid had been allowed to slide by without performing the work that most other students have to complete because he was good at football. However, according to the article below the young man does indeed suffer from a learning disability and steps were rightfully taken throughout his career to get him the help he needed to stay in school and academically eligible to be able to play the game that is most likely going to offer him a financially secure future.

    This guy has the right perspective on who should actually be ridiculed... the guy that leaked the score in the first place.

    "But the slime that sheepishly — and worse off, anonymously — shared his score with a media outlet will never have to deal with it. He’ll continue to sit on his computer behind a desk and just know that he made a good kid feel bad today. He’ll know that he leaked a kid with a learning disability’s standardized test score to the world without providing any of the context that should have gone along with it."

    Morris Claiborne shouldn't be mocked over his Wonderlic score - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

    Morris Claiborne shouldnt be mocked over his Wonderlic score Morris Claiborne shouldnt be mocked over his Wonderlic score

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  • G&B4ever said...

    However, according to the article below the young man does indeed suffer from a learning disability and steps were rightfully taken throughout his career to get him the help he needed to stay in school and academically eligible to be able to play the game that is most likely going to offer him a financially secure future.

    This is it right here. It happens at plenty of schools all the time.

    There are some people that are really good at sports who are also really smart.

    And then there are some people that are really good at sports who are really dumb, and a school will do whatever it can to keep them eligible so they can help win games.

    That's why you still have first rounders with awful wonderlic scores. Some teams don't care if they're dumb if they help win games and are elite athletes. They're paid to be machines, not take tests.

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  • As an educator, I feel safe saying disability or not, he missed crucial interventions as a young man that would have helped him. This doesn't just happen with athletes. Schools have to catch these kids earlier.

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  • BCMCock05 said...

    This is it right here. It happens at plenty of schools all the time.

    There are some people that are really good at sports who are also really smart.

    And then there are some people that are really good at sports who are really dumb, and a school will do whatever it can to keep them eligible so they can help win games.

    That's why you still have first rounders with awful wonderlic scores. Some teams don't care if they're dumb if they help win games and are elite athletes. They're paid to be machines, not take tests.

    Did you even bother to read the article? You completely missed the OP point! Do you even understand what a learning disability is?

    Props to the OP for his response in light of this information...as for BCMcock05, I don't even know what to say...

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  • YouEsCee said...

    Did you even bother to read the article? You completely missed the OP point! Do you even understand what a learning disability is?

    Props to the OP for his response in light of this information...as for BCMcock05, I don't even know what to say...

    The article says the same thing I did. He'll get drafted highly because he's good at football, not because of test taking.

    There were LD classes in my high school and non elite athletes in those classes aren't in college.

    Same goes for special admission for scholarship athletes in college. Paid to win, not to learn.

    Are there classes full of regular people with bad grades and test scores?

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  • G&B4ever said...

    I take back all the things I thought and the accusations I made (not on this forum, but in several conversations I had with peers about this yesterday) toward the educators and administrators that Morris Claiborne had during his education, both at LSU and before. I had assumed that this kid had been allowed to slide by without performing the work that most other students have to complete because he was good at football. However, according to the article below the young man does indeed suffer from a learning disability and steps were rightfully taken throughout his career to get him the help he needed to stay in school and academically eligible to be able to play the game that is most likely going to offer him a financially secure future.

    This guy has the right perspective on who should actually be ridiculed... the guy that leaked the score in the first place.

    "But the slime that sheepishly — and worse off, anonymously — shared his score with a media outlet will never have to deal with it. He’ll continue to sit on his computer behind a desk and just know that he made a good kid feel bad today. He’ll know that he leaked a kid with a learning disability’s standardized test score to the world without providing any of the context that should have gone along with it."

    Well done.

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  • Excellent article. There are a lot of people that need to read this.

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  • I agree that this should never have been leaked, but I suspect it was leaked by a team that actually likes Claiborne and wants him to slide in the draft. It is the only rational (not saying it is right, just that it is rational in a Machiavellian sense) reason to leak it besides just being a horrible human being that delights in embarrassing others. If you had a top five pick and you liked him, you would not do this. Even if you were not going to draft him, why create negative hype around him that makes it less likely that some other team might want to trade up to get him.*

    I wish they could keep the scores confidential so each team can make their own assessment. Unfortunately, there will always be a temptation to talk down players you like in the hopes that you will get a chance to select them.

    *I know every team has the score anyway, but a GM might not take a chance on Claiborne if he knows that there will be backlash if he fails.

    This post was edited by PalmettoLaw on 4/4/2012 at 12:45 PM

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  • BCMCock05 said...

    The article says the same thing I did. He'll get drafted highly because he's good at football, not because of test taking.

    There were LD classes in my high school and non elite athletes in those classes aren't in college.

    Same goes for special admission for scholarship athletes in college. Paid to win, not to learn.

    Are there classes full of regular people with bad grades and test scores?

    The fact that you referred to these athletes as "dumb" shows you have no clue what a learning disability is.

    YouEsCee

  • "There were LD classes in my high school and non elite athletes in those classes aren't in college."

    As the husband of a resource teacher, I can tell you that colleges are full of kids that were in LD classes and got the help they needed to succeed. It happens every day, not just with athletes.

    YouEsCee

  • Blame the agent that allowed him to take the test to begin with. Players op out of the 40 yd dash, or then throwing at the combine. Why not opt out of the Wunderlich if you know your not going to do well.

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  • 3.0 said...

    As an educator, I feel safe saying disability or not, he missed crucial interventions as a young man that would have helped him. This doesn't just happen with athletes. Schools have to catch these kids earlier.

    Serious question. Is "dumb" considered a learning disability? What about "lazy?"

    This post was edited by 22Cock on 4/4/2012 at 4:20 PM

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  • 22Cock said...

    Serious question. Is "dumb" considered a learning disability? What about "lazy?"

    Lazy....absolutely not! I have little sympathy for kids like that. You MUST give effort, and perform to your level.
    Also, dumb is hard to quantify. To me it's all about catching kids having struggles getting help early in their education...like pre fourth grade.

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