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Luke Kuechly

  • cockfool said...

    Beason is WAY better in the middle. He's NOT an outside backer. I don't hate the pick but they went safe. DE/DT/CB were much bigger needs and there were options available.

    DE is not a huge need, there are still very good options at CB (Jenkins, Johnson) and DT (Still, Worthy) heading into the second round.

    stmatthewscock3958

  • cockfool said...

    Beason is WAY better in the middle. He's NOT an outside backer. I don't hate the pick but they went safe. DE/DT/CB were much bigger needs and there were options available.

    There are options still available.it isn't a one round draft.

    Are you a Falcons fan?

    97srad750

  • st.matthewscock said...

    DE is not a huge need, there are still very good options at CB (Jenkins, Johnson) and DT (Still, Worthy) heading into the second round.

    Those are all bigger needs than another mike lb. He's not a bad player; just not worth the 9th pick when you can't rush the passer or cover anyone.

    blessedcock

  • blessedcock said...

    Those are all bigger needs than another mike lb. He's not a bad player; just not worth the 9th pick when you can't rush the passer or cover anyone.

    He can play inside or outside, as can Beason

    97srad750

  • st.matthewscock said...

    DE is not a huge need, there are still very good options at CB (Jenkins, Johnson) and DT (Still, Worthy) heading into the second round.

    The DL is the biggest area of need on that team. DT more so than end but they need help rushing the passer. Not a single DT was off the board when they doubled up at MLB. Now if they evaluated the DT spot and and felt there was nobody worth a 1st round grads so be it. But pretending they are set at DE/ pass rush is silly. They're aren't. CB is a major need too. MLB was not unless Beason isn't healthy.
    To his credit Hurney does well in round 1. It's beyond that when he starts getting screwy. That's why depending on them to answer needs in Rd 2 with no 3rd is a reach.

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  • 97srad750 said...

    There are options still available.it isn't a one round draft.

    Are you a Falcons fan?

    No. I like the Panthers. Not a huge NFL guy though. Hurney beyond rd.1 isn't a bright history.

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    cockfool

  • steve miller said...

    Kuechly was far and away the best defensive player in the draft. He led the nation in tackles the past two years, which is extremely impressive in its own right. As good against the run and making tackles as Kuechly is, he is even better in coverage. This guy is without peer in pass coverage as well

    He reminds me a lot of Brian Urlacher, another white LB from a minor conference who I never got see play on television.

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  • blessedcock said...

    If they both play MLB, yes you do. They added depth at a position when they had much bigger holes elsewhere. Additionally, if they wanted LK, I think they could have traded down and still got him.

    I think Kuechly can play outside as well. They got the best defensive football player available. Leading the country in tackles for 2 straight years, and having over 500 in a career is no fluke. Dude can play some football. He is a big, tall, and fast LB who is elite in coverage, and is all over the field making half the tackles in a game. Him and Beason would be one hell of a tandem.

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    Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.

    steve miller

  • cockfool said...

    No. I like the Panthers. Not a huge NFL guy though. Hurney beyond rd.1 isn't a bright history.

    Fox probably had some say in those picks. I'm glad they didn't take Poe, and I wouldn't have minded Cox. LB was a mess last year, and the year before.

    97srad750

  • steve miller said...

    I think Kuechly can play outside as well. They got the best defensive football player available. Leading the country in tackles for 2 straight years, and having over 500 in a career is no fluke. Dude can play some football. He is a big, tall, and fast LB who is elite in coverage, and is all over the field making half the tackles in a game. Him and Beason would be one hell of a tandem.

    well there is one former long time NFL linebacker that thinks the Panthers made a horrible pick.

    LONGBALL

  • Who do you guys think the Panthers take in round 2?
    I can see them picking Alshon, Janoris Jenkins, or a DT.

    Reload

  • 97srad750 said...

    Fox probably had some say in those picks. I'm glad they didn't take Poe, and I wouldn't have minded Cox. LB was a mess last year, and the year before.

    Poe thankfully was never an option or so it appeared. I was terrified Coples would be the guy. He's got bust written all over him and now that he's a Jet it's almost assured.
    Cox was my first choice. Sort of stunned they didn't take him. They went safe. Kuechly will likely be a good player. But you can find LBs a lot easier than DTs and that was the biggest need. There wasn't a DT in the entire draft worth taking?

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  • steve miller said...

    I just heard that Kuechly had over 500 tackles in his career. Holy smokes for the love of all that is holy and good in this great planet of ours that is a LOT of tackles!

    Easy people to tackle in ACC IMO

    Derek2023

  • st.matthewscock said...

    6'3" 242 Lbs is undersized? Dudes a beast in the middle and can cover sideline to sideline.

    I didn't say undersized. I said small linebacker and meant that the Cowboys didn't need another linebacker who was not physical - more like he "plays small" than "is small" I guess. This kid isn't a physical run stopper, which Dallas could use, but still makes a ton of tackles. You won't see Kuechly take on guards/FBs to blow up the run. He plays small, flows to the ball through the play, which you can't do at the next level as a linebacker.

    5thhorseman

  • Reload said...

    Who do you guys think the Panthers take in round 2?
    I can see them picking Alshon, Janoris Jenkins, or a DT.

    Beyond rd 1 is where they get nutty. Trading a 1 to move up and get Brown in the 2nd. Moving up to get Armani Edwards who is beyond terrible.
    Logic says they HAVE to go DL or maybe CB in rd 2 especially with no 3rd but who knows? They might go RB or QB knowing them.

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  • I like his response to the question " Is there anything you can't tackle?". "Yeah a bowl game!"

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    CockyinCali81

  • I would say CB is a bigger need than DT. I don't want to see Captain in the starting line up again, he needs to stick to his old nickel spot. They don't like taking guys with character issues since Rae Carruth, so that might eliminate Jenkins. Trumaine Johnson is the next best CB after that so he could be the guy if still there. If they do go DT I'd guess Jerrell Worthy or Devon still will be picked.

    stmatthewscock3958

  • 5thhorseman said...

    I didn't say undersized. I said small linebacker and meant that the Cowboys didn't need another linebacker who was not physical - more like he "plays small" than "is small" I guess. This kid isn't a physical run stopper, which Dallas could use, but still makes a ton of tackles. You won't see Kuechly take on guards/FBs to blow up the run. He plays small, flows to the ball through the play, which you can't do at the next level as a linebacker.

    I respect your view on him.

    That is not what I have seen from him, however. The games I saw him play he was being double teamed every play, and he would just flow off the blocks and make the tackle. He took on blocks the whole game both games I watched him play in.

    As far as being a run stopper, he made about 15-20 tackles on the RB within 4 yds of the line of scrimmage in each of the games I saw. He may not be a physical run stopper, whatever that means, but he tackles the RB before he gets going. He had close to 20 tackles one game I saw, and over 20 the other. Most of those were in the box on the RB.

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    Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.

    steve miller

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9OQ3tjPsL0&feature=related

    Beason the Beast looks pretty good to me. Two years ago when Thomas davis went down again Beason moved to the Weakside. While i think Beason is better at Mike he is certainly capable. Idk about Luke outside yet. I defiantly think he is a great pick. He was the best defensive player on the board and it was a huge need. the panther can not rely on Thomas Davis and the do not even have any viable backups with the departure of Dan Connor. With Luke in the fold the panthers have a legitimate linebackers core if they can keep Beason on the field. If the panthers draft Janoris Jenkins, our boy Jeffery, or the Dt from Marshall in the second round i will call the first two days a success.

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  • 97srad750 said...

    Based on what? They needed LB help in the worst way, and got the best one in the draft

    Don't the panthers have an all pro middle lb?

    els0528

  • LK is a great LB, rather would have them drafted Gilmore or Cox in the first round. Depending on availability, I hope try take Alshon, Jenkins, or the DT from Marshall. Time will tell.

    CockedLocked

  • I heard one expert compare Luke to Dan Morgan.If he is close to a Morgan it will be an great pick.

    strongfan

  • strongfan said...

    I heard one expert compare Luke to Dan Morgan.If he is close to a Morgan it will be an great pick.

    You mean a walking concussion who spends more time off the field than on?

    blessedcock

  • blessedcock said...

    You mean a walking concussion who spends more time off the field than on?

    Yeah I'm sure that's what he meant

    97srad750

  • 97srad750 said...

    Yeah I'm sure that's what he meant

    Seriously, Morgan was hugely talented but couldn't stay on the field. Not sure a comparison to him is a great endorsement. Also, choosing to resign Morgan over Witherspoon was another Panthers screw up.

    blessedcock