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Malzahn/Morris offense

  • I've google searched, youtube searched and tried to look up whatever I can and I'm coming up blank on the best way to defend against these offensive styles. If a team has speed at all the skill positions and a mobile quarterback that can throw just accurately enough, how do you slow it down?

    I've watched a lot of Clemson/Auburn games this year and when defenses get these offenses in third and long situation they always seem to give up big plays on 3rd down. I'm really interested to hear from the X's and O's people on here and even staff on what defensive coordinators try to do to stop this offense.

    CharlestonUSC

  • CharlestonUSC said...

    I've google searched, youtube searched and tried to look up whatever I can and I'm coming up blank on the best way to defend against these offensive styles. If a team has speed at all the skill positions and a mobile quarterback that can throw just accurately enough, how do you slow it down?

    I've watched a lot of Clemson/Auburn games this year and when defenses get these offenses in third and long situation they always seem to give up big plays on 3rd down. I'm really interested to hear from the X's and O's people on here and even staff on what defensive coordinators try to do to stop this offense.

    Have better players then they do.

    It's just a system. It comes down to players and execution. Auburn is not particularly difficult to stop this year and they weren't the year before Cam.

    VBCock

  • Smart football is the place to go. He has a lot of different stuff, but here's an article he wrote for Yahoo! It's not so much explaining how to stop it, but how it works.

    Deconstructing: Auburn's Malzahn at the gates, again - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF Blog - Yahoo! Sports

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  • CharlestonUSC said...

    I've google searched, youtube searched and tried to look up whatever I can and I'm coming up blank on the best way to defend against these offensive styles. If a team has speed at all the skill positions and a mobile quarterback that can throw just accurately enough, how do you slow it down?

    I've watched a lot of Clemson/Auburn games this year and when defenses get these offenses in third and long situation they always seem to give up big plays on 3rd down. I'm really interested to hear from the X's and O's people on here and even staff on what defensive coordinators try to do to stop this offense.

    well if some blogger could figure out how to stop it then it wouldn't be a very good offense, IMHO.

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  • To me its alot like playing a tripple option team, you have to play assignment football and stay home. Cant let your eyes take you out of the play.

    Personaly I would run Man on the out side all day. We have the front four to stop these offesnses. They will get theres but its a bend don't break mentality.

    Where Auburn got us was we bent and didnt break but our offenses left the D hanging bad. They just need one our two drives over 8 plays and never got it.

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  • A big part of it is the tempo, which prevents the defense from substituting positions/groups on typical down-and-distance scenario. If you are stuck with your 1st down run defense, they will throw on your mismatched LBs, etc. If you have your nickel package in, they will run at you, especially on the edges with the read option because you are still spread out. They also send a receiver deep on almost every play to pull that corner and a safety over and then throw underneath into the open space (Clemson does this with Watkins a lot). If you don't respect the deep route, the QB can/will throw it to keep you honest. An athletic QB can also take advantage of the running lanes the spread opens up.

    One of the things that causes that offense problems is if you can match up well in your base package, or if you get penetration to stop the run plays/disrupt the short passing game. You also have to jam the receivers at the line to throw off their timing, because there are typically not multiple reads in play by the QB. This is basically what VT was able to do to slow down Clemson, a lot.

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  • abc2 said...

    If you run man on Watkins you are in for a long day. Same goes with Alshon as long as you have someone who can get him the ball.

    I saw an analysis somewhere on Auburn this year that when Lichtenstein (FB) was in the game that the ball always followed him on runs. Obviously we did not always pick that up but there are keys that the coaches pick up on off of film.

    smedlyp

  • Auburn ran a ridiculous number of plays on us (92) and only averaged 3.9 yards per play. No other team they've played this year has held them to below 5 yards per play. I have to believe if our offense could have stayed on the field longer, the 3.9 average would have been even lower.

    So, watching our game film vs. Auburn would be a good place to start RE: defending that style of offense.

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  • The Auburn/Clemson offense is nothing more than the old Delaware Wing-T with some window dressing with motions and shifts. The Wing T is based on a lot of misdirection in the backfield and fakes by the quarterback. For example, on the final touchdown play be Auburn against us the entire flow of the play was going toward our sideline, then the QB stopped and throw back to corner of the endzone. (BTW Melvin was about 2 steps from destroying this play) Just like any other misdirection based offense the best way to stop it is for the defensive tackles and inside linebackers to play gap control, the outside linebackers and defensive ends to keep containment, and for the corners and safeties to stay with their wide receiver or in the zone for a longer than usual period of time. The Wing T causes confusion and the best way to stop it is for each defender to play his responsibility and trust that his teammates will do the same thing. When players start getting frustrated and out of position is when this offense can kill you.

    ddspsc

  • Virginia Tech stopped Clemson's offense. Tajh went 13-32 for 1 TD and 1 INT. Clemson's leading rusher had less than 50 yards. The problem was that VT couldn't move the ball and in a similar vein to our game against Auburn, they wore down and gave up a busted coverage on Dwayne Allen and Bellamy broke one late.

    The reason VT slowed them down was because they had a lot of defensive team speed. They put pressure on Tajh early and made him make quick decisions. VT did a great job of running sideline to sideline and stuffed the up the middle run. Honestly, I think we matchup fairly well with Clemson considering we have the best front 4 they will see all year and our secondary has finally had the light come on when we moved to man coverage. I think Clemson is in for a long night when they come to Columbia this year. Our defensive team speed is going to eat them alive.

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  • CharlestonUSC said...

    I've google searched, youtube searched and tried to look up whatever I can and I'm coming up blank on the best way to defend against these offensive styles. If a team has speed at all the skill positions and a mobile quarterback that can throw just accurately enough, how do you slow it down?

    I've watched a lot of Clemson/Auburn games this year and when defenses get these offenses in third and long situation they always seem to give up big plays on 3rd down. I'm really interested to hear from the X's and O's people on here and even staff on what defensive coordinators try to do to stop this offense.

    I truly hope google and youtube is not how Ellis Johnson schemes the defense! lol I'm not an x and o guy either but it seems you must start with speed and discipline to stop it.

    gcockman

  • Much of what this type offense does is try to create mis-matches along the LOS, and also outnumber you on the perimeter.The running game between the tackles is based on a iso power philosophy.After that, Its all about making a defense defend in space, from sideline to sideline, with an occasional long ball thrown in to keep your safeties from creeping up to support the run and short pass....

    The only way to defend it is to have speed across the board and to make sure you miss no tackles in space...The first thing is your front 4 MUST be able to control the run...If you are forced to commit 6 guys in the box to constantly be aware of the power running , then you have little chance to slow down the other areas this offense attacks...You simply cannot defend the speedy guys in space all day with only 5 guys.

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  • yep i'm looking forward to it also. I'm deploying at the end of the month and will miss the rest of the season. Hoping ESPN360 works where I'm going so I can at least possibly watch a replay.

    CharlestonUSC

  • People have to play smart and not bust assignments. Probably helps if you can play straight man and bump alot at the line of scrimmage when they pass. But the biggest, most important, must-have is a defensive line that can blow plays up before they have time to develop. If that doesn't happen your secondary are sitting ducks. A dominant defensive line could disrupt that offense, though.

    brownng

  • abc2 said...

    If you run man on Watkins you are in for a long day. Same goes with Alshon as long as you have someone who can get him the ball.

    I think your wrong he can be covered, we have good db's in man. They would get confused in zone that's why i say run man. I think taj and the gigs have yet to see a 4 man front like ours. Pressure him and he will turn over the ball.

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  • brownng said...

    People have to play smart and not bust assignments. Probably helps if you can play straight man and bump alot at the line of scrimmage when they pass. But the biggest, most important, must-have is a defensive line that can blow plays up before they have time to develop. If that doesn't happen your secondary are sitting ducks. A dominant defensive line could disrupt that offense, though.

    A dominant defensive line, over the span of a single game or an entire season, will disrupt any offensive scheme.

    ceece

  • I don't think Man is the best way to defend us. Allen makes playing us in man pretty difficult. You gotta mix it up.

    It's all about rushing the passer. You get to Boyd a good bit...stop the run with 4 and you'll be ok vs Morris or Malzahn, or Spurrier, or Chow, Paul Johnson, Weis...doesn't matter.

    Almost all of Auburn's big play's in the passing game were using one of yalls strength's against you by letting the ends get way up field and screening yall to death or doing the drag/throwback to the TE.

    We don't have near the power running game Auburn does OL/RB. But we are much better at WR/TE/QB than they are.

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  • Woodrow-ST said...

    I don't think Man is the best way to defend us. Allen makes playing us in man pretty difficult. You gotta mix it up.

    It's all about rushing the passer. You get to Boyd a good bit...stop the run with 4 and you'll be ok vs Morris or Malzahn, or Spurrier, or Chow, Paul Johnson, Weis...doesn't matter.

    Almost all of Auburn's big play's in the passing game were using one of yalls strength's against you by letting the ends get way up field and screening yall to death or doing the drag/throwback to the TE.

    We don't have near the power running game Auburn does OL/RB. But we are much better at WR/TE/QB than they are.

    I said, if you can play man. Not that we can play it.

    brownng

  • The best way to stop them is to keep them off the field with an offense that sustains drives and SCORES. Clemson has an excellent FG kicker. He kicked 5 against
    Boston College, which is impressive. However, that mean BC stopped them five times from getting into the endzone. We are talking Boston College. i think the Gamecock defense is a little better than those guys/

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