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Nuke's Double Move

  • I remember watching Clemson game against NC State and it was the 2nd half I believe. Nuke lined up top against Amerson. First play was about a 8 yard curl for a completion.
    Couple plays later same play but it was a essentially a 7yard hitch and go and toasted Amerson for a TD.

    Granted Amerson is known to be aggressive and has been exposed this year but is a decent corner.

    They will go back to that play this week. How do you think each corner plays this route? I think Vic will play it more aggresively than Auguste.

    It's not a easy route to play especially if they make a couple 8-9 yard completions. My belief is our pass rush will affect the timing on this route and it wont develop as well as it did against NC State. Not to mention DJ over the top on these long routes. We should be alright.

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  • I would absolutely LOVE to see Dj knock the F^%$ out of Watkins or Hopkins.

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  • Be smart...If you bite on the move, just tackle him. 15 yds is better than 6 pts.

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  • NC State didn't have JD Clowney. I hope Clemson plans on having time for double moves.

    Lowcountry Cock

  • The Grookster said...

    I would absolutely LOVE to see Dj knock the F^%$ out of Watkins or Hopkins.

    I wish I could just give this all of my upvotes and it would happen. pray

    free byrd

  • The Grookster said...

    I would absolutely LOVE to see Dj knock the F^%$ out of Watkins or Hopkins.

    This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    redfisherman

  • A lot of the taters success depends on timing or just launching it down the field and letting nuke or Sammy catch it. Our D line is going to have him running for his life which will throw their timing way out of sync. Even jamming receivers and bump and run will screw up their patterns. DJ over the top to help along with the D line pressure and we will see some Boyd interceptions.

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  • The Grookster said...

    I would absolutely LOVE to see Dj knock the F^%$ out of Watkins or Hopkins.

    I can't stop thinking about DJ's comments a few weeks ago after he was flagged for hitting someone in the chest.

    He mentioned that he is going to start taking out people at the knees. He WILL do this to Clempsins WR's and they will be intimidated. Nothing worse than the anticipation of a missile coming at your knees across the middle of the field.

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  • Scurvydog74 said...

    A lot of the taters success depends on timing or just launching it down the field and letting nuke or Sammy catch it. Our D line is going to have him running for his life which will throw their timing way out of sync. Even jamming receivers and bump and run will screw up their patterns. DJ over the top to help along with the D line pressure and we will see some Boyd interceptions.

    I beg to differ. Some of Clemson's success comes on deep balls, not a lot of it. There are variations on attacking man coverage. Against Duke, pass pro held up and Tajh could wait all day for some double moves, looking off safeties or waiting for WR's to just flat out our run the defense to a spot.

    Duke doesn't jump routes though. NC St does a lot more of that, they also lead the ACC in sacks. They got torched a few times deep because the oline blocked well.

    The variables of the 'double moves' are based on pass protection and how much the DB's jump routes. South Carolina's db's like to jump routes more than any other team Clemson has faced this year. With a single safety look and aggressive man coverage on underneath stuff. Against a good pass rush, these route trees can be shrunken. Instead of setting up a double move with 10-12 yard outs, they can be set up by running 5-6 yard digs or slants. Quick out back shoulder throws. If a DB tries to jump it, like the slant at LSU, the double move only requires an additional 2-3 yards of space before the ball comes out. Look at the FSU game last year. The long 60 yard td on the slant and go, was only about a 20 yard pass that can be flicked off his back foot.

    There have been sideline streaks to Bryant once a game that gets the ball down field and out of Boyd's hand by the time he plants his foot on his drop.

    I think if South Carolina plays their single safety man look, then I predict much less designed plays to Watkins and significantly more intermediate routes to Hopkins. Hopkins is the best receiver South Carolina will have faced at catching the ball in a fish bowl. Back shoulder throws down the sidelines can get 20 quick yards on just a 3 step drop. Single coverage brings the fade into play with Hopkins. He can catch the ball over his shoulder and above his head much better than any other receiver on Clemson's team. He doesn't need 'double moves'. A stutter step route is all he needs to get the half yard to a yard separation he needs.

    Sonething else that could conceivably burn an aggressive pass defense in the jam bump look, trying to 'jump' a screen pass and then all of a sudden being susceptible to a TE wheel route where that void is because of the DB jumping the fake. Brandon Ford has been used plenty with intermediate down field throws to his back shoulder along the sideline in the small window vacated by overly aggressive DB's. those are quick throws too.

    Tajh will throw an interceotion. He's avg 1 per game. He will likely get sacked too. But if you think this years Tajh Boyd = last years, you havebt watched Clemson play.

    I know auburn turned out to be a bad football team but Clemson got a better effort from them than any other team did all year. Their dline presented a pass rush challenge just like FSU or South Carolina did/will. Tajh Boyd did not force anything he didn't feel he had enough time to do. I'm certain chad Morris has made him watch that film again this week to show him the importance of not forcing things. He's more sure of himself right now, so I know he will force a pass or two, but I think he will be more inclined to take the sack instead of using that pressure to fling it up in jeopardy.

    The football game comes down to running the ball, for either team.

    Clemson has never lost a football game in which it rushes and passes for over 200 yards. Clemson wil get 200+ through the air, can Clemson's tempo allow close to 200 yards on the ground?

    Besides the running game, simply gaining first downs, maybe more so than points early in the game, is equally as important. For South Carolina it will limit possessions. For Clemson, it will allow tempo to wear out the dline. And while South Carolina's front line starters are as quality as last years group, I don't believe their depth is as quality as last years. Plus, Clemson's tempo never had a chance to dictate the impact of how productive that depth would have been.

    Clowney will be a beast, but how will his conditioning hold up to make a big play if Clemson is able to dictate tempo to some degree? So, first downs are more paramount than early points in neutralizing the biggest defensive mismatch on either side of the ball. If Clemson's tempo is able to crank up, Clemson will not need to keep an H back or TE in to help double his pass rush. In my opinion.

    This post was edited by ceece on 11/21/2012 at 8:58 AM

    ceece

  • ceece said...

    I beg to differ. Some of Clemson's success comes on deep balls, not a lot of it. There are variations on attacking man coverage. Against Duke, pass pro held up and Tajh could wait all day for some double moves, looking off safeties or waiting for WR's to just flat out our run the defense to a spot.

    Duke doesn't jump routes though. NC St does a lot more of that, they also lead the ACC in sacks. They got torched a few times deep because the oline blocked well.

    The variables of the 'double moves' are based on pass protection and how much the DB's jump routes. South Carolina's db's like to jump routes more than any other team Clemson has faced this year. With a single safety look and aggressive man coverage on underneath stuff. Against a good pass rush, these route trees can be shrunken. Instead of setting up a double move with 10-12 yard outs, they can be set up by running 5-6 yard digs or slants. Quick out back shoulder throws. If a DB tries to jump it, like the slant at LSU, the double move only requires an additional 2-3 yards of space before the ball comes out. Look at the FSU game last year. The long 60 yard td on the slant and go, was only about a 20 yard pass that can be flicked off his back foot.

    There have been sideline streaks to Bryant once a game that gets the ball down field and out of Boyd's hand by the time he plants his foot on his drop.

    I think if South Carolina plays their single safety man look, then I predict much less designed plays to Watkins and significantly more intermediate routes to Hopkins. Hopkins is the best receiver South Carolina will have faced at catching the ball in a fish bowl. Back shoulder throws down the sidelines can get 20 quick yards on just a 3 step drop. Single coverage brings the fade into play with Hopkins. He can catch the ball over his shoulder and above his head much better than any other receiver on Clemson's team. He doesn't need 'double moves'. A stutter step route is all he needs to get the half yard to a yard separation he needs.

    Sonething else that could conceivably burn an aggressive pass defense in the jam bump look, trying to 'jump' a screen pass and then all of a sudden being susceptible to a TE wheel route where that void is because of the DB jumping the fake. Brandon Ford has been used plenty with intermediate down field throws to his back shoulder along the sideline in the small window vacated by overly aggressive DB's. those are quick throws too.

    Tajh will throw an interceotion. He's avg 1 per game. He will likely get sacked too. But if you think this years Tajh Boyd = last years, you havebt watched Clemson play.

    I know auburn turned out to be a bad football team but Clemson got a better effort from them than any other team did all year. Their dline presented a pass rush challenge just like FSU or South Carolina did/will. Tajh Boyd did not force anything he didn't feel he had enough time to do. I'm certain chad Morris has made him watch that film again this week to show him the importance of not forcing things. He's more sure of himself right now, so I know he will force a pass or two, but I think he will be more inclined to take the sack instead of using that pressure to fling it up in jeopardy.

    The football game comes down to running the ball, for either team.

    Clemson has never lost a football game in which it rushes and passes for over 200 yards. Clemson wil get 200+ through the air, can Clemson's tempo allow close to 200 yards on the ground?

    Besides the running game, simply gaining first downs, maybe more so than points early in the game, is equally as important. For South Carolina it will limit possessions. For Clemson, it will allow tempo to wear out the dline. And while South Carolina's front line starters are as quality as last years group, I don't believe their depth is as quality as last years. Plus, Clemson's tempo never had a chance to dictate the impact of how productive that depth would have been.

    Clowney will be a beast, but how will his conditioning hold up to make a big play if Clemson is able to dictate tempo to some degree? So, first downs are more paramount than early points in neutralizing the biggest defensive mismatch on either side of the ball. If Clemson's tempo is able to crank up, Clemson will not need to keep an H back or TE in to help double his pass rush. In my opinion.

    In this post, clemp fan uses success against Duke, NC State, and Auburn to prove clemp will have success against South Carolina.

    Total Defensive Rankngs:

    Auburn 74
    NC State 83
    Duke 95
    Clemp 69
    South Carolina 13

    Sacks:

    Auburn T-59
    NC State T-19
    Duke T-62
    Clemp T-45
    South Carolina T-8

    Scoring Defense:

    Auburn 59
    NC State 56
    Duke 99
    Clemp 47
    South Carolina 13

    Rushing Defense:

    Auburn 93
    NC State 56
    Duke 96
    Clemp 72
    South Carolina 16

    Passing Defense:

    Auburn 44
    NC State 105
    Duke 82
    Clemp 74
    South Carolina 22

    Please tell us some more about how great clemp has looked this year. el oh el.

    WKJ_JR ●

  • Boyd has his worst game this year against Va Tech and they got to him early in the game.

    tippecanoe

  • Lol at optimistic Clemson fans. Auburn had "for one game" a comparable d-line to SC? You're out of your mind.

    crt712

  • ceece said...

    I beg to differ. Some of Clemson's success comes on deep balls, not a lot of it. There are variations on attacking man coverage. Against Duke, pass pro held up and Tajh could wait all day for some double moves, looking off safeties or waiting for WR's to just flat out our run the defense to a spot.

    Duke doesn't jump routes though. NC St does a lot more of that, they also lead the ACC in sacks. They got torched a few times deep because the oline blocked well.

    The variables of the 'double moves' are based on pass protection and how much the DB's jump routes. South Carolina's db's like to jump routes more than any other team Clemson has faced this year. With a single safety look and aggressive man coverage on underneath stuff. Against a good pass rush, these route trees can be shrunken. Instead of setting up a double move with 10-12 yard outs, they can be set up by running 5-6 yard digs or slants. Quick out back shoulder throws. If a DB tries to jump it, like the slant at LSU, the double move only requires an additional 2-3 yards of space before the ball comes out. Look at the FSU game last year. The long 60 yard td on the slant and go, was only about a 20 yard pass that can be flicked off his back foot.

    There have been sideline streaks to Bryant once a game that gets the ball down field and out of Boyd's hand by the time he plants his foot on his drop.

    I think if South Carolina plays their single safety man look, then I predict much less designed plays to Watkins and significantly more intermediate routes to Hopkins. Hopkins is the best receiver South Carolina will have faced at catching the ball in a fish bowl. Back shoulder throws down the sidelines can get 20 quick yards on just a 3 step drop. Single coverage brings the fade into play with Hopkins. He can catch the ball over his shoulder and above his head much better than any other receiver on Clemson's team. He doesn't need 'double moves'. A stutter step route is all he needs to get the half yard to a yard separation he needs.

    Sonething else that could conceivably burn an aggressive pass defense in the jam bump look, trying to 'jump' a screen pass and then all of a sudden being susceptible to a TE wheel route where that void is because of the DB jumping the fake. Brandon Ford has been used plenty with intermediate down field throws to his back shoulder along the sideline in the small window vacated by overly aggressive DB's. those are quick throws too.

    Tajh will throw an interceotion. He's avg 1 per game. He will likely get sacked too. But if you think this years Tajh Boyd = last years, you havebt watched Clemson play.

    I know auburn turned out to be a bad football team but Clemson got a better effort from them than any other team did all year. Their dline presented a pass rush challenge just like FSU or South Carolina did/will. Tajh Boyd did not force anything he didn't feel he had enough time to do. I'm certain chad Morris has made him watch that film again this week to show him the importance of not forcing things. He's more sure of himself right now, so I know he will force a pass or two, but I think he will be more inclined to take the sack instead of using that pressure to fling it up in jeopardy.

    The football game comes down to running the ball, for either team.

    Clemson has never lost a football game in which it rushes and passes for over 200 yards. Clemson wil get 200+ through the air, can Clemson's tempo allow close to 200 yards on the ground?

    Besides the running game, simply gaining first downs, maybe more so than points early in the game, is equally as important. For South Carolina it will limit possessions. For Clemson, it will allow tempo to wear out the dline. And while South Carolina's front line starters are as quality as last years group, I don't believe their depth is as quality as last years. Plus, Clemson's tempo never had a chance to dictate the impact of how productive that depth would have been.

    Clowney will be a beast, but how will his conditioning hold up to make a big play if Clemson is able to dictate tempo to some degree? So, first downs are more paramount than early points in neutralizing the biggest defensive mismatch on either side of the ball. If Clemson's tempo is able to crank up, Clemson will not need to keep an H back or TE in to help double his pass rush. In my opinion.

    Get off our board and take Woody with you comparing Duke and Nc State good grief.You are gonna find out Saturday night that you are not in Winston Salem anymore

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  • WKJ_JR said...

    In this post, clemp fan uses success against Duke, NC State, and Auburn to prove clemp will have success against South Carolina.

    Total Defensive Rankngs:

    Auburn 74
    NC State 83
    Duke 95
    Clemp 69
    South Carolina 13

    Sacks:

    Auburn T-59
    NC State T-19
    Duke T-62
    Clemp T-45
    South Carolina T-8

    Scoring Defense:

    Auburn 59
    NC State 56
    Duke 99
    Clemp 47
    South Carolina 13

    Rushing Defense:

    Auburn 93
    NC State 56
    Duke 96
    Clemp 72
    South Carolina 16

    Passing Defense:

    Auburn 44
    NC State 105
    Duke 82
    Clemp 74
    South Carolina 22

    Please tell us some more about how great clemp has looked this year. el oh el.

    Not only is our average better, but it was built against better strength of schedule than the tiggers, which makes the margin greater off paper....Im just ready for the game. GO COCKS!

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  • ceece said...

    I beg to differ. Some of Clemson's success comes on deep balls, not a lot of it. There are variations on attacking man coverage. Against Duke, pass pro held up and Tajh could wait all day for some double moves, looking off safeties or waiting for WR's to just flat out our run the defense to a spot.

    Duke doesn't jump routes though. NC St does a lot more of that, they also lead the ACC in sacks. They got torched a few times deep because the oline blocked well.

    The variables of the 'double moves' are based on pass protection and how much the DB's jump routes. South Carolina's db's like to jump routes more than any other team Clemson has faced this year. With a single safety look and aggressive man coverage on underneath stuff. Against a good pass rush, these route trees can be shrunken. Instead of setting up a double move with 10-12 yard outs, they can be set up by running 5-6 yard digs or slants. Quick out back shoulder throws. If a DB tries to jump it, like the slant at LSU, the double move only requires an additional 2-3 yards of space before the ball comes out. Look at the FSU game last year. The long 60 yard td on the slant and go, was only about a 20 yard pass that can be flicked off his back foot.

    There have been sideline streaks to Bryant once a game that gets the ball down field and out of Boyd's hand by the time he plants his foot on his drop.

    I think if South Carolina plays their single safety man look, then I predict much less designed plays to Watkins and significantly more intermediate routes to Hopkins. Hopkins is the best receiver South Carolina will have faced at catching the ball in a fish bowl. Back shoulder throws down the sidelines can get 20 quick yards on just a 3 step drop. Single coverage brings the fade into play with Hopkins. He can catch the ball over his shoulder and above his head much better than any other receiver on Clemson's team. He doesn't need 'double moves'. A stutter step route is all he needs to get the half yard to a yard separation he needs.

    Sonething else that could conceivably burn an aggressive pass defense in the jam bump look, trying to 'jump' a screen pass and then all of a sudden being susceptible to a TE wheel route where that void is because of the DB jumping the fake. Brandon Ford has been used plenty with intermediate down field throws to his back shoulder along the sideline in the small window vacated by overly aggressive DB's. those are quick throws too.

    Tajh will throw an interceotion. He's avg 1 per game. He will likely get sacked too. But if you think this years Tajh Boyd = last years, you havebt watched Clemson play.

    I know auburn turned out to be a bad football team but Clemson got a better effort from them than any other team did all year. Their dline presented a pass rush challenge just like FSU or South Carolina did/will. Tajh Boyd did not force anything he didn't feel he had enough time to do. I'm certain chad Morris has made him watch that film again this week to show him the importance of not forcing things. He's more sure of himself right now, so I know he will force a pass or two, but I think he will be more inclined to take the sack instead of using that pressure to fling it up in jeopardy.

    The football game comes down to running the ball, for either team.

    Clemson has never lost a football game in which it rushes and passes for over 200 yards. Clemson wil get 200+ through the air, can Clemson's tempo allow close to 200 yards on the ground?

    Besides the running game, simply gaining first downs, maybe more so than points early in the game, is equally as important. For South Carolina it will limit possessions. For Clemson, it will allow tempo to wear out the dline. And while South Carolina's front line starters are as quality as last years group, I don't believe their depth is as quality as last years. Plus, Clemson's tempo never had a chance to dictate the impact of how productive that depth would have been.

    Clowney will be a beast, but how will his conditioning hold up to make a big play if Clemson is able to dictate tempo to some degree? So, first downs are more paramount than early points in neutralizing the biggest defensive mismatch on either side of the ball. If Clemson's tempo is able to crank up, Clemson will not need to keep an H back or TE in to help double his pass rush. In my opinion.

    Lots of problems with your post.

    1. Taj does look to be improved, but he's already equaled last season's interception total in 3 fewer games and 150 fewer pass attempts. His TDs are down by 13. Sack numbers appear down, but they're really about where they were last year before you played us (5 sacks).

    2. The comparison of Auburn's pass rush to our is a joke, right? Just say yes so I don't have to embarrass you.

    Jefe5235

  • Amerson loves to jump short routes. So does Legree. Legree got burnt against Tennesse by the same concept. Auguste is more experienced, and will pick up on those things a little better. Legree is learning.

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  • BathGamecock said...

    Get off our board and take Woody with you comparing Duke and Nc State good grief.You are gonna find out Saturday night that you are not in Winston Salem anymore

    I didn't compare duke to South Carolina. I specified examples on the various ways 'double moves' can be used against varying amounts of pressure, or lack there of.

    I also specified that i believe Clemson will get sacked on Saturday, sonething that didn't happen last weekend. So once again, I wasn't comparing the overall ability of nc states defense to South Carolina's, but to date, NC States defense had the most amount of sacks that Clemson had faced. Now, South Carolina's defense will have it.

    ceece

  • ceece said...

    I didn't compare duke to South Carolina. I specified examples on the various ways 'double moves' can be used against varying amounts of pressure, or lack there of.

    I also specified that i believe Clemson will get sacked on Saturday, sonething that didn't happen last weekend. So once again, I wasn't comparing the overall ability of nc states defense to South Carolina's, but to date, NC States defense had the most amount of sacks that Clemson had faced. Now, South Carolina's defense will have it.

    Clemson also loves the quick screen passes. One thing is though is our defense is really really fast. They will swarm the ball carrier. Big plays is what we have to limit because I'm not worried in the red zone. Our boys have a nasty red zone D.

    Scurvydog74 ●

  • ceece said...

    I didn't compare duke to South Carolina. I specified examples on the various ways 'double moves' can be used against varying amounts of pressure, or lack there of.

    I also specified that i believe Clemson will get sacked on Saturday, sonething that didn't happen last weekend. So once again, I wasn't comparing the overall ability of nc states defense to South Carolina's, but to date, NC States defense had the most amount of sacks that Clemson had faced. Now, South Carolina's defense will have it.

    Clemson also loves the quick screen passes. One thing is though is our defense is really really fast. They will swarm the ball carrier. Big plays is what we have to limit because I'm not worried in the red zone. Our boys have a nasty red zone D.

    Scurvydog74 ●

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    Bunzie ●

  • ceece said...

    I didn't compare duke to South Carolina. I specified examples on the various ways 'double moves' can be used against varying amounts of pressure, or lack there of.

    I also specified that i believe Clemson will get sacked on Saturday, sonething that didn't happen last weekend. So once again, I wasn't comparing the overall ability of nc states defense to South Carolina's, but to date, NC States defense had the most amount of sacks that Clemson had faced. Now, South Carolina's defense will have it.

    If I were a moderator, I would ban you for 99 years just because I could. I would pm you nasty, threatening messages about your mama, massage oil and a slinky. The other moderators would shun me and not sit by me at the games. It would be worth it, you orange clad clot slime.

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