Palmetto Proving Grounds

Watkins is the only player on that list that can hang with Alshon, Kenny and Sidney

It really is sad that you consider yourself gamecock fan, tater. Name me on WR since Dabo has been there that has made an impact in the league. You cant, because there arent any. Quit bitching because you dont like the fact that Jr. is SOSs son. He is the best WR coach we have ever had, has brought in more talent than any other WR coach ever has, and has produced the best statistical players we have ever had/ Jr. is one of the best in the business.

Types of offense and who your qb is can make those things mean different things, are any of those guys outside of Kelly and Watkins guys you'd consider all time great cu wr's the way you would the three Jr has had?

How could you read the stopwatch with all your man-drool all over it? You live columbia? Are they flying direct to Pluto out of CAE now?

Yes Yes they are, but you did miss Shaq, he's exactly what you say we lack, so hopefully he'll have a big impact.

Also Derrick Hamilton went in the 2004 draft and Currie in the 2005 draft and never played against the Spurrier staff. So it covers a longer time period.

Dabo arrived in Clemson in 2003, and here, I think is a complete list of Wrs they've signed since he arrived:

Ladonte Harris
Aaron Kelley
Andrew Diomande

Jeff Ogren
Kendrick Johnson
Jacoby Ford

Tyler Grisham (the best example of a good scout, or good coaching job and oddly not mentioned at all)
Rendrick Taylor
TJ Williams

Brandon Clear
Xavier Dye
Markish Jones

Jaron Brown
Brandon Ford
Marquan Jones

Bryce McNeal

Joe Craig
Deandre Hopkins
Martavis Bryant

Sammy Watkins
Seckinger
Charone peak
Martavis Bryant (again)

So of the list Dabo had nothing to do at all with the recruitment of Hamilton, Currie, or Stuckey.

And the great majority of the players he recruited since he arrived at Clemson did little.

Of course that is exactly what you would expect in recruiting. However, were some of us Clemson fans instead of South Carolina fans they would have been up in arms about the poor development of Xavier Dye, like he was actually a player capable of doing better. Or complaining that he recruited Jeff Ogren.

Point of fact, Clemson fans did and do continue to complain about this stuff.

In fact, one of the biggest crticisms of Dabo last year was that he took so long to bench the all the experienced WRs on the team who were busts in favor of younger players. Essentially, that he had done such a poor job of recruiting WRs that they were mad that he was playing them ahead of what fans felt were better young players.

Go figure.

I have heard all of those reasons from you before and I still believe you should be classified as a JR hater. You tend to hate on many coaches for random reasons.

I don't believe JR is an elite coach but IMO, I believe that he is a good WR coach and have no reason to believe otherwise. Your logic on JR is faulty at best which is why you are considered a JR haterand rightfully so.

No, the facts are we have alot of WRs who are unproven to date.

Ace has 54 career catches and 4 TD in 2 years at South Carolina (27 games, so he's averaging 2 rec/gm). Ellington has 17 catches and 1 TD in his 1 year of playing football. Damiere Byrd is credited with 1 rec for 16 yards for the entire 13 game season in 2011 on ESPN.com. The rest of those guys have yet to play a down, so you can't automatically say they are good just because they had a nice offer sheet coming out of HS. So did OJ Murdock, Chris Culliver, Carlos Thomas, Joe Hills, etc.and you see how they turned out at the WR position for us.

For the record, I am not saying our WRs are bad or SOS Jr. is a bad coach or anything like that. I just don't see how anyone can look at the position and automatically assume it's going to be a position of strength based on what has been proven on the field to date.

I mean seriously, there are clemson fans who will go on for days about Dabo's evaluations and tendency for offering WRs who cannot contribute. I've seen his evaluations referred to as "self imposed probation."

I agree with you that the WR position is a question mark.

On the other hand, I do not think someone can look at last year's receptions and presume that it will be a weakness. likely to be somewhere in between.

If the recruiting analysts and college recruiters are correct there is talent in Ace Sanders, Damiere Byrd, KJ Brent, Shamir Jeffery, Kwinton Smith, Jody Fuller, and Shaq Roland.

We will see. I think we will probably have another run heavy, conservative offense this season and we will probably have some guys step up and make some catches.

But this group is probably not oging to be be as good this coming year as they will the following year.

Past experience here seems to suggest it takes WRs about a half year of playing time to settle in and perfect the things they need to perfect to be effective.

They will have to find the primary guys and then those guys should improve with reps.

Not to take sides but wasn't joker Phillips now head coach at uk our WRs coach? I like jr but the best ever?

or lighten up and enjoy some back and forth.

xanies on isle 9 poncharella.

We will find out this year how good our receivers are because we do not have one superstar receiver that will be constantly throwing it to. We will probably run it way way more than we even throw it this year.