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Since the implementation of the YES program

  • CockOfAges said...

    The trend is clearly going the right way since Holtz. Spurrier, whom you so often criticize, recognizes it for certain, giving huge chunks of what could have been his compensation to assistant positions. Having said that, if we want to compete with the best on the field, there is no reason for us to not be competitive with salaries across the board.

    Not counting the raise he gave out a couple years ago, we don't pay an offensive coordinator.

    That's another at least 500K we could give the assistants. It's a crime what some of our guys make.

    Money definitely played a part in Graham's decision. People like him, Mangus, and Elliot make nothing compared to other schools that are successful or striving to be.

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  • MrBigAl said...

    I actually had Sparky Woods and Brrad Scott in mind. Could we have hired better coaches if we'd implemented the YES program earlier? Woulld they have hired the same assistants if they'd had more money to spend on their staff?

    to your point I think we could have hired better coaches when we first joined the SEC (pre Holtz and Spurrier) if the YES program had been implemented sooner. We probably could have gotten better assistants....but I believe that has changed with Hyman and Spurrier.

    Of the assistants that we have lost recently, I do not see money as the main factor that would have kept them here.... Hunt (fired), Reaves (good riddance), Beamer (coach with dad), Wolford (head coach), Graham (coach at alma matter), Nix (we asked to leave), Cooper (told to leave), Rychleski (NFL bound) .....Money would not have changed any of these.

    This post was edited by KAHWood on 12/7/2011 at 11:09 AM

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  • BCMCock05 said...

    Not counting the raise he gave out a couple years ago, we don't pay an offensive coordinator.

    That's another at least 500K we could give the assistants. It's a crime what some of our guys make.

    Money definitely played a part in Graham's decision. People like him, Mangus, and Elliot make nothing compared to other schools that are successful or striving to be.

    Graham went to coach at his alma matter, which was one of his career aspirations......money was not an issue.

    KAHWood

  • BCMCock05 said...

    I know for a fact that they are similar.

    Some cheaper and some more expensive. The states in the southeast as a whole aren't very different as far as what your average Joe makes.

    LSU makes plenty and Louisiana isn't some booming economy.

    I would have a hard time believing we have similar revenue streams to Bama and LSU. Hell, the additional capacity of those stadiums generates millions more in ticket sales.

    Jefe5235

  • KAHWood said...

    Graham went to coach at his alma matter, which was one of his career aspirations......money was not an issue.

    Being the school he played at was an issue. So was money. Fact.

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  • Jefe` said...

    I would have a hard time believing we have similar revenue streams to Bama and LSU. Hell, the additional capacity of those stadiums generates millions more in ticket sales.

    What about Clemson?

    Morris makes almost twice what our entire offensive staff makes combined.

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  • Salaries come from a different pot of money. Not from the YES program. The school itself handles salaries. YES program pays from recruiting needs, facilities needs, equipment needs, and things like that.

    Bsportsfan

  • BCMCock05 said...

    Being the school he played at was an issue. So was money. Fact.

    Seeing as how he didn't ask us to counter offer that really gives your argument that it was about money no weight. I'm sure he got more money but he also wanted to be at his alma mater. Paying our current assistants more would not change the product on the field(though I think raises have been earned across the board). We may need to pay our coaches more to retain them in the future and a cost/reward analysis will be performed at that time. I'm sure if SOS wants to keep someone we will pony up. Everyone saying we need to spend more money on recruiting budgets is pretty off base. Its been proven a lot of that money was payouts for "film" to services/handlers for recruiting. Spurrier alluded to it last year. We also are not gonna recruit nationally so that lowers our costs. You don't pay the players so tripling that budget isn't gonna triple returns. We do very well in that regard as we are top 15 every year in recruiting.

    This post was edited by Plyler38 on 12/7/2011 at 11:52 AM

    "Those who live in the past are cowards and losers" -- Mike Ditka

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  • BCMCock05 said...

    What about Clemson?

    Morris makes almost twice what our entire offensive staff makes combined.

    Who cares man? Them paying him 1.3 million does not make them better than when he was payed 450k.

    "Those who live in the past are cowards and losers" -- Mike Ditka

    Plyler38

  • C&L said...

    I beef about BigAl sometimes, too. But I don't see this as a slam. Coaching salaries, recruiting budgets, etc., all these things could use a real examination. I'm OK with letting guys walk from time to time for money, but we need to be willing to open the wallet for guys like Ellis Johnson.

    I agree I don't really see why anyone would be upset here he asked a legit question

    We haven't had a problem getting good coaches though and money didn't draw JG away

    CaliGamecock9095

  • Our assistant coaches are really underpaid but I suspect Hyman will increase their salaries after this season if not he really needs to go.

    GamecockWorld

  • MrBigAl said...

    and given the money we receive each year by virtue of our membership in the SEC, is there a good reason why we couldn't spend as much money on our football staff as Bama or LSU?

    I wonder how many prospective head coaches we've passed on due to money. I wonder how many of our coaches have been hamstrung because they were unable to hire the assistants they wanted due to money.

    As Bama or LSU? No. They produce more revenue than we do. We probably should be competitive with everyone not named Bama, LSU, or Florida.

    That said, we need to avoid being stupid like Clemson just was with Morris.

    ospop4690

  • AtlantaAlum said...

    Ridiculous post. Alabama and lsu make more money than we do by far AND aren't going through the massive across the board facility upgrades that we are. Thanks for playing.

    According to Forbes, in 2009 LSU turned a $39 million profit, Bama a $38 million, and South Carolina $37 million. That was before the YES system, which was expected to increase profits even more.

    This post was edited by Pat_Bateman on 12/7/2011 at 12:19 PM

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    Pat_Bateman

  • Look at the budgets. They are not putting away millions of dollars a year They are spending the lion's share of what they are bringing in.

    It just is not accurate to say that USC has the same amount of spending ability as the big boys in league.

    VBCock

  • BCMCock05 said...

    Being the school he played at was an issue. So was money. Fact.

    It isn't a fact, it is your opinion. If you can show me where Jay Graham stated he left because of his compensation or where Eric Hyman refused to consider a raise for Jay Graham thus prompting him to leave your statement is nothing but conjecture and speculation.

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  • Mike Honcho said...

    It isn't a fact, it is your opinion. If you can show me where Jay Graham stated he left because of his compensation or where Eric Hyman refused to consider a raise for Jay Graham thus prompting him to leave your statement is nothing but conjecture and speculation.

    It isn't my opinion. If you don't want to believe me that's fine. Also, I never said it was the reason he left, just that it was a factor.

    And you're kidding yourself if you want a statement from Graham. You know it doesn't work like that. Would you like statements from Cooper, Nix, coach Ray and others outlining their entire agenda for a job change? How about Meyer leaving Florida? Stop by JC's thread about Bobby Bentley and see if you can get a quoted, published list of reasons why he went to or left various jobs.

    Come on man.

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  • BCMCock05 said...

    It isn't my opinion. If you don't want to believe me that's fine. Also, I never said it was the reason he left, just that it was a factor.

    And you're kidding yourself if you want a statement from Graham. You know it doesn't work like that. Would you like statements from Cooper, Nix, coach Ray and others outlining their entire agenda for a job change? How about Meyer leaving Florida? Stop by JC's thread about Bobby Bentley and see if you can get a quoted, published list of reasons why he went to or left various jobs.

    Come on man.

    Two questions:

    1. Do you know the difference between fact and opinion?

    2. Can you give me anything that demonstrates that a factor in Graham leaving was our inability to properly compensate him? I only ask considering he didn't even inform our coaches he was interviewing with UT nor did he request that we counter their offer.

    Thanks in advance for your response and your downvote.

    This post was edited by Mike Honcho on 12/7/2011 at 1:07 PM

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  • Pat_Bateman said...

    According to Forbes, in 2009 LSU turned a $39 million profit, Bama a $38 million, and South Carolina $37 million. That was before the YES system, which was expected to increase profits even more.

    That gives you a very incomplete picture of where the programs stand.

    Jefe5235

  • BCMCock05 said...

    What about Clemson?

    Morris makes almost twice what our entire offensive staff makes combined.

    Don't get me wrong here. I'm not against paying the assistants more. I think we should. I just think its dumb to think our wallets are as large as Bama and LSU. I also think the taters were pretty stupid to pay Morris $1.3 million.

    This post was edited by Jefe5235 on 12/7/2011 at 2:50 PM

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  • Jefe` said...

    Don't get me wrong here. I'm not against paying the assistants more. I think we should. I just think its dumb to think our wallets are as large as Bama and LSU.

    I agree with this statement. For what its worth, I also think that we should pay our assistants as much as possible, but I think people are singling out the Graham incident to make a point that isn't applicable in this case.

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  • The YES money and SEC tv money is pledged for debt service on the millions of dollars improvements underway. Given the size of the state, university endowment, athletic budget, etc., Carolina should be in the middle of the range when it comes to coaches salaries.

    Hodad

  • honestly this board would be better off if everyone "ignored" big al

    Bom274

  • Actually, you are mistaken. While the "face" amount on a ticket may be same, that is not the full ticket price. Here is a fact: I have seats in section 5 - my YES seat fee is about $350 per seat. Same spot at LSU - $950.00 per seat. Huge differeence in ticket price.

    Second fact - ticket prices are only a part of ticket revenue. Alabama has 123 luxury boxes - 123. How many do we have and how many are leased?. Answer, about 25%. LSU has 71 new luxury boxes, huge difference in ticket revenue.

    We don't have anywhere near the revenue of Alabama and LSU, not close. And I have not even included the funds they get from their athletic foundations.

    18wheeler

  • Since we started the YES program, USC has won more games than any such time in the history of the program. NOTHING to complain about IMO

    Rebelcock84

  • Rebelcock84 said...

    Since we started the YES program, USC has won more games than any such time in the history of the program. NOTHING to complain about IMO

    Good point.

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