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University of North Dakota Brings Back Fighting Sioux Nickname

  • I'm not sure if I have a deep seeded opinion or not on this topic and I know I have no real vested interest in the debate other than it strikes me as an issue rife with unfairness and inequity.

    Nicknames are nothing more than a moniker of identification for a team which many in the fan base associate with desirable traits of intimidation and fear inducement. I'm not sure that it's a subject worth getting in a tiff over when put in its proper perspective.

    Speaking from personal experience I frequently freeze with fright at the very thought of seeing the Stanford Tree or Wofford Terrier or UC Santa Cruz Banana Slug run out onto the field.

    To ban nicknames deemed to be offensive and threaten the schools with sanctions again seems arbitrary and capricious particularly when some schools and sports organizations are allowed to keep their logos and identifiers..such as the Seminoles and Redskins.

    I realize there have been some attempts to democratize the process and have input from the "offended" in determining the degree of offense and whether the offending symbol can therefore remain an integral piece of the sporting team's lexicon.

    My thought - if you are offended by a schools logo, symbolism, or mascot - imagine the kid dressed up in the tree suit.

    This post was edited by 3pt0 on 2/9/2012 at 12:57 PM

    johnhunt

  • The Souix prefer 'Lakota', but my friend always said he did not find the nickname offensive.

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    3pt0

  • johnhunt said...

    I'm not sure if I have a deep seated opinion or not on this topic and I know I have no real vested interest in the debate other than it strikes me as an issue rife with unfairness and inequity.

    Nicknames are nothing more than a moniker of identification for a team which many in the fan base associate with desirable traits of intimidation and fear inducement. I'm not sure that it's a subject worth getting in a tiff over when put in its proper perspective.

    Speaking from personal experience I frequently freeze with fright at the very thought of seeing the Stanford Tree or Wofford Terrier or UC Santa Cruz Banana Slug run out onto the field.

    To ban nicknames deemed to be offensive and threaten the schools with sanctions again seems arbitrary and capricious particularly when some schools and sports organizations are allowed to keep their logos and identifiers..such as the Seminoles and Redskins.

    I realize there have been some attempts to democratize the process and have input from the "offended" in determining the degree of offense and whether the offending symbol can therefore remain an integral piece of the sporting team's lexicon.

    My thought - if you are offended by a schools logo, symbolism, or mascot - imagine the kid dressed up in the tree suit.

    So, I guess, you are saying the University of North Dakota told the NCAA to "Go Sioux them". Dakota is a Sioux word, I believe.

    PRGC

  • I heard directly from the animal kingdom that Tigers want Clemson to change their mascot because Clemson brought major embarrassment to them in the Orange Bowl!

    GamecockWorld

  • GamecockWorld said...

    I heard directly from the animal kingdom that Tigers want Clemson to change their mascot because Clemson brought major embarrassment to them in the Orange Bowl!

    I heard that also. They want Clemson to change their mascot to either "tabby cats" or "pussies"

    Surfside Cock

  • If I remember correctly, when the NCAA forced this dumb PC change, they had a very good argument not to change. Including that 1/3 of their students were local Indians and wanted to keep the name.

    At least they are not Catholic's dead with a run away President.

    NC CocksFan

  • UNC Pembroke is still the Braves.

    MCR

  • 3.0 said...

    The Souix prefer 'Lakota', but my friend always said he did not find the nickname offensive.

    That is what I thought. I think some native American groups actually opposed some name changes.

    As for nicknames, I am partial to the Scotsdale CC Fighting artichokes.

    els0528

  • Do you think they would be more offended by Fighting Souix or the Passive Souix?

    smedlyp

  • Hmmmm, what is worse?

    Having your name used for a school mascot, or..

    being rounded up, removed from your home, and forcefully placed on reservations - by the victorious yanks after the civil war?

    Not sure.

    gamecocklou

  • Surfside Cock said...

    I heard that also. They want Clemson to change their mascot to either "tabby cats" or "pussies"

    How about "White Trash?"

    Kelso Red

  • gamecocklou said...

    Hmmmm, what is worse?

    Having your name used for a school mascot, or..

    being rounded up, removed from your home, and forcefully placed on reservations - by the victorious yanks after the civil war?

    Not sure.

    and then there's cigarettes, bingo and casinos ... did I mention tax exempt

    johnhunt

  • It's pitiful that the NCAA didn't require Indiana to change its name.

    22Cock ●

  • My undergraduate degree is from Newberry College and we were the Indians. Under pressure from the NCAA, they are now the Wolves. I am no fan of the political correctnees doctrine. I will never set foot on the campus again and I have asked that my name be removed from the alumni register.I am about fairness and I don't think that I have ever offended anybody because of race or gender.

    BigDave

  • Thanks for the upvotes. After I witheld my annual contributions, I was contacted by the alumni association president to explain why Newberry had to change. He said it was unfair to the student athletes for them to be penalized due to the name of the mascot. He went on to say that if we kept the name Indians that we would have to give up homefield advantage for any playoff games.
    If you know anything about Newberry, you know that it is a Lutheran school. The man identified himself as Reverand John Derrick. I told him that in his next sermon to tell the congregation that he devoutly believed everything that he preached that day, but he would gladly give it up for homefield advantage. He thanked me for my time and the contributions that I had made in the past. I wish that I had it all back so that I could contribite it to a worthwhile cause like a no kill animal shelter.

    BigDave

  • johnhunt said...

    I'm not sure if I have a deep seeded opinion or not on this topic and I know I have no real vested interest in the debate other than it strikes me as an issue rife with unfairness and inequity.

    Nicknames are nothing more than a moniker of identification for a team which many in the fan base associate with desirable traits of intimidation and fear inducement. I'm not sure that it's a subject worth getting in a tiff over when put in its proper perspective.

    Speaking from personal experience I frequently freeze with fright at the very thought of seeing the Stanford Tree or Wofford Terrier or UC Santa Cruz Banana Slug run out onto the field.

    To ban nicknames deemed to be offensive and threaten the schools with sanctions again seems arbitrary and capricious particularly when some schools and sports organizations are allowed to keep their logos and identifiers..such as the Seminoles and Redskins.

    I realize there have been some attempts to democratize the process and have input from the "offended" in determining the degree of offense and whether the offending symbol can therefore remain an integral piece of the sporting team's lexicon.

    My thought - if you are offended by a schools logo, symbolism, or mascot - imagine the kid dressed up in the tree suit.

    you should be very afraid of the Wofford Terrier

    WCGamecock

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