Palmetto Proving Grounds

This is a "discussion" board...it is here so people can post opinions and share insights they might have because of their different points of view. The questions you raised are valid but please refrain from attacking an poster with "how is this good info?' and "you've been listening to your family's pipe dreams too much" when he is doing nothing more than creating an interesting thread on a slow Sunday. FWIW he was posting information that was pertaining to quite a few posters on here who want Horn gone and Marshall in; whether I agree or not it is a common sentiment right now.

USC made competitive approaches to other coaches before settling on horn. I wouldn't assume that our paying horn his market rate means that they won't pay a better candidate his market rate or above.

The ultimate issue will be who wants the job and how much of a premium they demand.

It probably doesn't make any sense for USC to pay someone with horn's resume a big salary until they make progress her and show they can draw crowds. Horn got a bump and would have kept getting bumps if he hadnt fizzled.

Hell his deal gave him a cut of ticket sales.

To say you hijacked the thread is an understatement. Also I doubt anyone here cares what race our coach is. We just want the best one available.

definitely something that could be an interesting discussion in another thread, but I've been waiting for the opportunity to use this and can't resist here:

I just think sometimes these billionaire program Sugar Daddys get overstated. Phil Knight sort of let it be known he had an open checkbook last basketball hire and they got a MVC coach in their own right in Dana Altman.
Travis Ford at Oklahoma State was a good hire but not an Earth-shattering one.
Koch and the Wichita situation are no different.

I never said I "hijacked" the thread. I said, "If my post was CONSTRUED as..." That's a subjective standard that clearly in your mind, my post met. That's precisely why I acknowledged the possibility, in the first place.

Having grown up in the south and SC in particular (and wouldn't live anywhere else), excuse me if I don't share your utopian sentiment on the relevance of race in the hiring practices of major HWC&U. I can also tell you that having been a principal in the contract negotiations for coaches of several of the schools I listed (and many I didn't), I speak from experience, not speculation.

Lastly, my comments were directed more towards how I feel the University can continue to seize upon and benefit from the unprecedented goodwill and enthusiasm that is swirling around the athletics program. If you read it as anything other than a recitation of facts and a desire to see the university continue to progress, that speaks more to your perspective that it does to my intent.

Thanks for a very informative post. I think a lot of Carolina fans overestimate the attractiveness of the basketball job here, and overestimate the willingness of someone like Marshall to leave a place where he's successful and appreciated.

BTW, the year that we played Wichita State in football was 1980; we won 73-0. WSU's coach was Willie Jeffries, the longtime former S.C. State coach. Jim Carlen didn't want to run up the score, and so was calling reserves who hadn't even dressed out for the game, out of the stands go suit up and play.

This is precisely why anyone ---even somebody getting paid a fortune by Koch U--would be overjoyed to (eventually) get the hell out of Wichita Ks. I'm one of the folks who doesn't think Marshall is worth going after, let alone getting into any kind of bidding deal over. I know many folks around here think he's another Phog Allen or something, but he LOOKS like some doofus from Wichita, Dodge or Garden City to begin with, and Hyman apparently has not been marking him on the meter, either. " Impressive coaching, to say the least" ??? give me a break.....

Saying Hyman is cheap makes no sense considering he has pumped more money into our athletic program than at any time in our history and hired our women's bball coach at a hefty salary. If he goes after Marshall, he will set a ceiling that he feels we can pay, and if the donors at Wichita top that, then more power to Marshall. By the way, it is clear that hiring an up and comer is the only probable solution for our program. Every big name we've gone after since McGuire has turned us down rather quickly.

I think Oregon's open checkbook was for Mark Few ... who is happy at his high paying mid major job ... and other big names.

In the end, not many coaches with good jobs are going to leave them for money.

The question is how good does Marshall think his job at Wichita is. I suspect he doesn't see it as a place to retire, but I also suspect that he will need a lot from USC to legitimately risk his career to come here. and he may now have higher aspirations.

I've never really thought much of the "dream job" talk. Seemed like a lot of marketing to me. I don't think he is going to take a home town discount to return. In fact, I think he will probably demand the home town premium.

This will be interesting to watch play out, assuming that we have a coaching vacancy, which I think is probably going to be the case.

how does the University have a perception problem? Clearly?

I don't understand that one.

I absolutely agree with you that the effort has improved, under our current Athletic Admin.

I can also tell you that under the previous regime, I KNOW that TS would have come here vs UGA, had he only been ASKED!! Hard to argue with getting Nat'l Coach of the Year and some interim success w transfers, by Fogler, but long term, we'll never know. Nevertheless, that call never came. The ship had sailed, on any subsequent efforts.

Only know 3rd person info on the others you cited, but again I'll say, I am encouraged by the current Athletic Admin. I mean this from the standpoint of truly pursuing the BEST candidates for the opportunity and not simply paying lip service to the notion.