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Have never seen a Tanner team struggle this much...

  • Tanner has seemed much more "tight" this year also, even from the first of the season.

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  • It's all mental toughness and effort, which are interdependent. There's no other explanation. A lineup capable of sweeping an SEC team and having a winning record in the SEC has no business playing to the level of a FMU or CoC. And I don't buy the "it's baseball" thing. Every game presents opportunities and either you get it done or you don't. Midweek you've got to go play and not just go through the motions.

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  • elcidcock said...

    It's all mental toughness and effort, which are interdependent. There's no other explanation. A lineup capable of sweeping an SEC team and having a winning record in the SEC has no business playing to the level of a FMU or CoC. And I don't buy the "it's baseball" thing. Every game presents opportunities and either you get it done or you don't. Midweek you've got to go play and not just go through the motions.

    You may not buy it but that is the game of baseball. It is a lot different from football. Anybody can beat anybody on any given day. It happens every night. Both Georgia and NC State lost last night.

    And we didn't lose to a bad team last night. The Southern Conference plays some good baseball and CofC is one of the best in that league. Their guy pitched a good game last night and they made the plays when they had to. And we just didn't play our best.

    I don't like losing either. But you can't be ready to jump off the ledge everytime you lose a game in baseball. I want to go to Omaha as much as anyone on this board. We still have a good chance to get there this year. But everyone needs to realize that we are not going to make it every year. That does not mean we are a bad team. It does not mean our coaches forgot how to coach. I just means it wasn't our year to go.

    All that being said I still think we get to Omaha. And I like our chances when we get there.

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    You may not buy it but that is the game of baseball. It is a lot different from football. Anybody can beat anybody on any given day. It happens every night. Both Georgia and NC State lost last night.

    And we didn't lose to a bad team last night. The Southern Conference plays some good baseball and CofC is one of the best in that league. Their guy pitched a good game last night and they made the plays when they had to. And we just didn't play our best.

    I don't like losing either. But you can't be ready to jump off the ledge everytime you lose a game in baseball. I want to go to Omaha as much as anyone on this board. We still have a good chance to get there this year. But everyone needs to realize that we are not going to make it every year. That does not mean we are a bad team. It does not mean our coaches forgot how to coach. I just means it wasn't our year to go.

    All that being said I still think we get to Omaha. And I like our chances when we get there.

    You are exactly right Postal! So many folks are anxious for us to dominate regular season, make a run through post season and come home with a three-peat in Omaha. While that is still feasible, folks need to temper their expectations. We have five new players starting in the field as well as several key reserves off the bench, many of which are freshman. We also are having to rebuild a bullpen with new folks, several of which are freshmen. Baseball is a fickle game which, as you alluded, can deal you a loss on any given day. CofC is a quality team and their pitcher had a great outing last night. Much of our success the last two years was built on pitching and defense. Throw in some mental toughness and timely hitting, and we have a lot of pieces to replace. We need to allow these guys to grow as a team. The makeup this season is much different from the last two seasons. To win National Championships, you have to have a lot of things go right for you. We have for two years now. This season, not as much but fact is we are still Top 10 with a legitimate shot at defending our title in Omaha. Reality check fellas........we are still a heck of a team that is having a very good season despite all the changes.

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  • My hope is to return to Omaha, but that isn't something I necessarily expect. Unless we do something crazy like give up 2 unearned runs in the 9th inning in game 3 of the supers, I'm not going to beat up on this team if they don't make it. It is always disappointing to fail to reach that goal, but it doesn't make the season a failure.

    MCR

  • I'm not jumping off any ledge. I completely understand baseball having been in or around the game for the last 20 years. It's not one game that has me concerned because I understand full well anything can happen in any given game. This though is beginning to look like a trend of mental lapses that results in either avoidable mistakes or what appear to be effort issues that concerns me going forward. I think though, and hope, that the stakes getting higher the further we get will ramp up the intensity and take care of that. We seem to play best in big games/situations. I think we need to always hope for Omaha at this point in our program. This team could certainly do it we just need to get everything put together in the next month.

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  • Apparently any crticism of this team equates to not knowing baseball or jumping off the ledge. The same problems I saw coming out of the gate are the same problems I see now. Poor play at SS, bad baserunning and poor execution at the plate. The coaching staff has tried everything imagineable with mixed results.
    I really think the coaches made some recruiting mistakes in not making the middle infield THE priority. I find it hard to believe that the 2 time national champs could not find decent replacements for Mooney and Wingo.

    I was surprised last night with Tanner putting Bright at DH instead of putting him at SS and using pankake as the DH. One of the few times I have disagreed with a Tanner decision.

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  • roving cock said...

    Apparently any crticism of this team equates to not knowing baseball or jumping off the ledge. The same problems I saw coming out of the gate are the same problems I see now. Poor play at SS, bad baserunning and poor execution at the plate. The coaching staff has tried everything imagineable with mixed results.
    I really think the coaches made some recruiting mistakes in not making the middle infield THE priority. I find it hard to believe that the 2 time national champs could not find decent replacements for Mooney and Wingo.

    I was surprised last night with Tanner putting Bright at DH instead of putting him at SS and using pankake as the DH. One of the few times I have disagreed with a Tanner decision.

    Wingo may have the best glove in usc history....period. Im not so sure you just replace that or his heart and desire to play the game.....all out, all of the time

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  • roving cock said...

    Apparently any crticism of this team equates to not knowing baseball or jumping off the ledge. The same problems I saw coming out of the gate are the same problems I see now. Poor play at SS, bad baserunning and poor execution at the plate. The coaching staff has tried everything imagineable with mixed results.
    I really think the coaches made some recruiting mistakes in not making the middle infield THE priority. I find it hard to believe that the 2 time national champs could not find decent replacements for Mooney and Wingo.

    I was surprised last night with Tanner putting Bright at DH instead of putting him at SS and using pankake as the DH. One of the few times I have disagreed with a Tanner decision.

    I agree with you to some extent - this team just seems to make more mental errors, and we certainly don't execute on defense like we have. I don't think Pankake is a recruiting mistake - the kid was a top national recruit at SS. He is a terrific hitter, and people that know his game are surprised that he has struggled as he has in the field at times. I still love the kid, and believe he will leave here as another in a long, long line of really good SS's to play at SC.

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  • roving cock said...

    Apparently any crticism of this team equates to not knowing baseball or jumping off the ledge. The same problems I saw coming out of the gate are the same problems I see now. Poor play at SS, bad baserunning and poor execution at the plate. The coaching staff has tried everything imagineable with mixed results. I really think the coaches made some recruiting mistakes in not making the middle infield THE priority. I find it hard to believe that the 2 time national champs could not find decent replacements for Mooney and Wingo.

    I was surprised last night with Tanner putting Bright at DH instead of putting him at SS and using pankake as the DH. One of the few times I have disagreed with a Tanner decision.

    I believe recruiting middle infield was a priority. We brought in a lot of players there. Maybe they have not lived up to what we expected and what many others expected.

    I still think we have a good SS in Pankake. Yes he has made some errors. Kind of a snowball thing. Probably worrying too much about making an error and not just relaxing and playing. He will be fine there I believe.

    You can be critical of the team. There are things to worry about. But if anyone thinks losing midweek games does not happen and should not happen they are wrong. We lost to Furman and The Citadel last year. It happens.

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  • I'm sorry but Pankake is not a good SS. I'm glad we have him as I think he can be a very good at 3rd and he is a good hitter. Yes, some have not performed as expected-my definition of a recruiting mistake, a mis-eval if you like that term better.

    And yes I think everyone understands that losses happen, even at midweek.

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  • roving cock said...

    I'm sorry but Pankake is not a good SS. I'm glad we have him as I think he can be a very good at 3rd and he is a good hitter. Yes, some have not performed as expected-my definition of a recruiting mistake, a mis-eval if you like that term better.

    And yes I think everyone understands that losses happen, even at midweek.

    I guess the jury is still out on Pankake. I'm just not ready to give up on him yet. But if he is a better 3rd baseman I look forward to seeing him over there. Of course LB may have something to say about that if he returns. He has played pretty well at 3rd.

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  • roving cock said...

    I'm sorry but Pankake is not a good SS. I'm glad we have him as I think he can be a very good at 3rd and he is a good hitter. Yes, some have not performed as expected-my definition of a recruiting mistake, a mis-eval if you like that term better.

    And yes I think everyone understands that losses happen, even at midweek.

    Um, remember our junior ss last year? I believe he had 10 errors in the first month of play. Don't give up on the kid just because he doesn't meet your expectations.

    CarolinaBBdad

  • Prior to fall ball I predicted Pankake to be our 3rd baseman. I actually still believe that one day in the future that will be his position. Now whether thats his soph yr., jr. year, senior yr, or in the minors...who knows. I just know that moving to his right doesn't look natural to him and neither does throwing back across his body. And at this point watching him I'm not sure its something that can be 'practiced' out of him. At third base these deficiencies in his game would be hidden for the most part. Having said that LB has played really well, so i don't see this move even being thought about by our coaching staff until LB is gone.

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  • roving cock said...

    Apparently any crticism of this team equates to not knowing baseball or jumping off the ledge. The same problems I saw coming out of the gate are the same problems I see now. Poor play at SS, bad baserunning and poor execution at the plate. The coaching staff has tried everything imagineable with mixed results. I really think the coaches made some recruiting mistakes in not making the middle infield THE priority. I find it hard to believe that the 2 time national champs could not find decent replacements for Mooney and Wingo.

    I was surprised last night with Tanner putting Bright at DH instead of putting him at SS and using pankake as the DH. One of the few times I have disagreed with a Tanner decision.

    I do not buy the 'effort issues' thing, nor can anyone say anything that will make me believe these guys are not giving their all every night. Do not confuse being tight, or over thinking stuff with effort. There is a big difference. As far as making recruiting mistakes, I really do not know what to say. He has and will always pull in huge recruiting classes, and full of guys that fit their needs.

    Pankake is having some issues, but he is improving. It is easy to remember the bad plays, and he has made a few. Make no mistake about it, though, this was a big recruiting haul, and he is the future at SS. He will continue to improve. Although he does need to tweak some stuff about his movement going right, he has big range, AND, he is a HUGE, HUGE upgrade at the dish over the guys we had last year.

    Some people get mad, and do not believe any of our issues are youth related, but they are. High school coaches are not used to dealing with the talent level of good SEC players, thus they cannot focus on some of the finer points that players will have to tweak in college. It's just the way it is. In college, they have to start doing stuff that has never even crossed their mind while in high school.

    Some are dead set on blaming things on effort, or coaching, or talent or just being dumb. We, as fans, can believe whaetever we choose to believe, and can have our own opinions, and that is the beauty of being a fan. We get emotional, and that in itself shields us from the reality of situations sometimes.

    Our team is such that the majority of our guys are in their first season of playing SEC baseball. Their is a learning process that comes with that. Christian Walkers and JBJ's are elite, and there is a reason why so few play as well as they did as freshmen. 99% of guys have a lot more to learn than guys like that when they get to college. This is a good team.

    We are not the 10th best team in the country right now, but we have the talent of only the best 4 or 5. We will continue to improve, and the guys will continue to make adjustments to playing against top notch competition every night. Remember that Wingo was an offensive liability his first couple of years. Mooney, even though he had 2yrs of JC ball when he got here, made a few errors at the beginning of the year. Our catchers were fierce competitors, but were not even in the same ballpark, talent-wise, of Greiner. Tanner English is as talented of a player as we have had that does not pitch or play first base. I don't know of a freshman in the country that has his skill set, and I do not believe there is one. Things are good now, they will get better.

    This post was edited by steve miller on 4/19/2012 at 8:32 AM

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