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Who do you think is most likely to leave via transfer or for any other reason?
not WG, but I think only one of the 3 is gone. Maybe 2, but there's def 1 that will be here next year.
I think only one of those three are gone also. I believe some others will leave to the tune of about 3-4.
Unfortunately I believe Geathers will be back.
I think the total ends up at 2, just based on needs with BE going back to football and the Johnson kid not being available until mid-season. We gotta have a PG.
I think the roster needs some serious turn over. As for BE, i think he is gone too along with DL and/or BR, and Probable Slawson/Geathers.
With LJ leaving that gives us the ability to sign 5 or 6 this recruiting year.
So we can add Frazier and Henry to what we have now. That would make a pretty decent class going forward.
I don't think Richardson is gone
Crazy to think that BE is gone. Have you not heard Martin talk about him? That's insane.
I think it's also kind of crazy to think that Kacinas is gone.
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
I am not sure what any of the juniors would have to gain by leaving. Sit out a year to play one final year in the SoCon? I guess that could happen.
Ellington could go full football, but I'm not sure that really makes sense based on his past position on these things and would in any event not help the numbers.
there are a number of factors that may be tossed around - graduating and doing as Page did to transfer to USC, transfering down, potential to transfer, RS, graduate and play their RS SR year while getting a first year of grad school paid for.
I'm not saying any will be gone. I can only think of one player that I'd lay money on not returning. But, the potential is there for one of the rising SRs to go. Especially if they have options and aren't likely to play much at all.
Richardson, Slawson, Smith and Williams are rising seniors. They have the least to gaiun by transfering. Still I would not be surprised to see WIlliams go because he has SF skills but a PG's body. what he gives us on offense he gives up on defense because he's so small.
Ellington is not on BB schollie but I am beginning to sense he'll not be back next yr. Why? He's a solid SEC PG but ...... if you cannot excel in the SEC what future do you have as a 5'9" PG with very limited scoring ability in the NBA. He does have a future in the NFL. He's quick, veery fast and a super powerful 200 lb'er.
Leonard would seem to me to be a goner. Hios P.T. is down due to his below avg defense. He's a streak shooter. But when you're only shooting 33% from the field, you hurt the team more than you help it. He's simply not athletic enough to play defense the way he needs to for FM.
That would open up the 2 schollie for Henry and 1 of the 2 JC's we are recruiting.
I hope Martin can work some majic with Geathers. You cannot coach 6-10 255. You can coach the drop step, the jump hook, blocking out, taking the charge and several other things he can help with if his kneecap is fully healed. If he's not healed he'd seem to be a candidate for a medical hardship. I hope he can play and play well for us.
That's how I can see 2 to 23 schollies opening up for next yr. We already have Johnson in school and he'll be eligible in December. Ringer will be a huge help in the paint. you cannot teach 6'9'' 260 lbs. Thornwell will be out best scorer from day one. 6'5'' slasher who can also shoot pretty well from the perimeter. Great FT hsooter also. He'll get tons of minutes on the wing as both a SF & 2G. McKie is the 4th signee. He's a 2G all the way unless he gets taller. Good skill set and will do the work to get better. Tough kid who will relish the physical play FM demands.
Now to the possibl newcomers.
Henry 6-8 235 PF. Brings scoring ability and muscle to the paint. Good athleticism, Not going to carry the team on his back but is another very good piece of the inside game fix.
Cook 6-6 SF. Athletic. Good scorer. would fit in well in FM's style of play.
Frazier 6-4 combo G. Can play point or 2g. athletic & phycial. Can play either G spot. Fit well in FM's style of play.
If all 7 of these newcomers were to sign and enroll, the 2013-2014 basketball season will be significantly better than this season. 20 wins is a real possibility and the NCAA's would be a real possibility. The only drawback on this roster would be almost all of it would be 1st or 2nd yr players. The talent upgrade would be immense. We know we have the coaching. We difinitely do not have the talent to win this yr.
Every time we recruit or are involved with a little known 6'10 traditional center somebody says you cannot coach size, but it never works out.
What you cannot coach is talent and ability.
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I'm not sold on Geathers. It's a shame he got hurt, this would have been a good season for him to get a ton of PT and find out how good he is.
I really like Chatkevicious though. He has shown some flashes
I can see Leonard, Williams, and Smith leaving. I don't think kacinas would leave, he's just a freshman and has had his moments this year.
Fomerly known as Garnet&BlackAttack.
I have to ask - under this scenario, who plays PG for the first half of the season?
Who you got up there?
Chad Frazier or another late signee?
All those guys won't leave, but most of them are expendable of course. Our team defines negative replacement value.
That is a very good question. I guess that leaves us with some walk ons I guess and Frazier if signs with us.
Even if Williams stays I don't think he can handle the point and that would lead me to believe Eric Smith is not going anywhere either. For better or worst our PG play is not going to good for some time still.
This is why I think Smith finishes his career here. He runs point until Johnson is available and then backs him up to finish out
Williams ,besides Bruce would be the only guards I would keep.Williams is in Frank's doghouse thbough.I do not know if he will ever give coach what he wants.Smith is terrible.
Well we missed out on Frazier so I'm guessing Smith stays. Smith's a rising SR anyways so probably shouldn't have said he goes. RJ on the other hand.
Agreed. Smith just needs to concentrate on ball security and distribution on offense. He doesn't need to worry about scoring. He was not blessed with much ability, and that has been well documented. I've been watching him a lot, and he is not terrible on defense. He's not great, but he does give us some value on defense. He is a strong kid.
I think Ellington will be back but that has no bearing on this conversation because he will not use up a scholarship. He has to be on a football scholarship if he plays football. So by him playing both sports, it allows Martin to bring in another player. Even if playing football does impact Ellington's basketball play a little, the other recruit certainly should offset that. It's like we get 1.75 players for 1 scholarship.
1. Leonard. he'll not see the court much next yr with Thornwell coming in. He's a defensive liability and that alone will do it. Go to a mid-major and play.
2. Slawson. during the last 10 games he seemed to play less & less. The returning freshmen from this year will pass him buy. If he didn't play much this yr., why would he come back next yr. The light has never come on for him at USC. He'd be better off in the SoCon of lower classification.
3. Geathers is a wild card. A broken knee cap is a tough thing to project a recovery from. I could see him getting a medical hardship keeping him on schollie but not a counter against the total schollies.
4. Ellington. Will he come back or not. I have to believe he realizes he's not an NBA talent. He's a solid SEC PG but as long as he plays football will be muscled up to the point it affects his shooting. IMO he concentrates on football and we do not see him next yr. I think that's why we have seen such a push to add a PG next yr. Smith is not a starter at PG in the SEC. Johnson will not be eligible until Dec. Ellington would only be available for a very few games until Johnson can play. Smith may not be the best option but ...... we have to have an option. Williams cannot play the point.
That's my take.
We so badly need the talent coming in.
JOHNSON is already the best PG on the team but will not be eligible to play until Dec. He's a pretty serious upgrade at PG.
THORNHILL gives us a scorer we simply do not have. I think he'll get most of his points from the framework of the offense but ..... he will be our "go to" option when things break down.
RINGER gives us an immdiate post presence. It's risky to count on a freshman but he;'s a good bit better than any of the post players we put out there this yr.
McKIE will be a help in his 1st 2 yrs and will be a solid contributor before he's done.
what we badly need.
Mr HENRY. 6'9'' 230 lbs. He would be a real coup for us. Would allow us to greatly improve our interior offense & defense. Likely a starter from day 1.
PG Candidates. 1 from Ky. or from N.H. or a prep school outside of CLT. We badly need 1. Our PG situation is so tenuous. Our staff realize that and is turning up the heat on 1 of these remaining targets.
Not sure who this this "thornhill" kid is, he must be a super silent commit only you know about.
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