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Has he improved at all while on campus? And if your stance is yes - state how. When he arrived he was a strong defender, was a high energy guy, hustled, played bigger inside that he was, had no jumper and no FT.
He is basically about the same.
Has anyone really improved over the past 4 yrs? Neither the program, nor the players have progressed over the past few years. That is the past.
To answer your question, Lakeem has improved this year a good bit. He has developed more moves, and is more aggressive around the basket. Lakeem is a Frank Martin type of player, and I really wish he had been able to play under Frank his whole career. Lakeem would probably be on the All-SEC team this year if that had been the case. Lakeem is a great young man, and gives everything he has on the floor every night. We should be thankful to him for this, as he will be one of the bright spots this year. To see him be able to go out as a winner, on a team on the upswing is fantastic for him.
I know not everybody is as positive as I am, and I understand that. I do not get the point of this thread at all, though. I have said before that one of the biggest failures of the previous staff was their failure to develop Lakeem the way he deserved, and needed to be. We all know he can't shoot, but he is not just good, but very good, and great, at everything else a basketball player needs to do. Lakeem has more assists than turnovers in his career here. That is a credit to him, and him alone.
This post was edited by John Whittle 16 months ago
Ally will beat the crap out of Uga.
Lakeem leads the team in FG percentage. He is tied with Carrera in rebounds per game. He is having a good year thus far. I like Lakeem very much. I am sad that this is his last year. I'm hoping that the team can improve enough to give him the kind of season he deserves.
I like Lakeem. I just don't see where he's improved. He plays his heart out, but he's done that since his first game. He still won't even look at the basket if given a 10 foot jump shot. That's simply insane, for anyone that plays a wing position. That's insane for most that play the center position.
I don't believe assessing something is being a dick. I'm not bashing him, I'm not trashing him. I'm simply pointing out that I see the same player I saw 4 years ago. A good player with loads of intagibles that is undersized for what he brings to the table.
Or are you still bothered that I don't feel sorry for him? What exactly should I feel sorry for him about?
The point of the thread was to see if anyone had a differing opinion than myself.
Lakeem has always been aggressive and played with full effort. He's been a tough player since day one - like Carrera. If you feel he's developed more moves, that's fair. He probably has. Do moves make you better? I can show someone a baby hook. Does it make him a better basketball player? It's debatable discussion, but it's fair.
I am so sick and tired of people around here blaming Horn for everything wrong with this program. I think you know that Lakeem Jackson has had injury problems for much of his career here. Horn did not fail to "develop" Jackson. Jackson is playing better basketball because he has more maturity, experience, and is healthy this season. So you and others quit being so stupid and myopic about blaming Horn. He's gone and we fired him after only 3 recruiting classes. The players he recruited were with only one or two exceptions all players recruited by other Major Div 1 programs from the ACC, SEC, and the Big East so they are good players and more importantly, they are great kids who want to play for the Gamecocks for their full four years of eligibility and get their degrees.
If they aren't playing well this season that is on Frank Martin. He has had plenty of time to work with this group and get them to do what he wants them to do. Get over your love affair with Martin which you carry over from your intial infatuation with Horn, and start seeing things for what they are.
You've already tried this argument. Just stop.
I just listened to part of Coach Martin's press conference from today. I missed the first part. Hope to see the whole thing when they make it available. Coach seems to think this team has a lot more potential than some of us fans do, me included. The SJ and Clemson games do not truly reflect the potential of this team. That is not to say we are just about to get to where everyone is playing the best they are capable of, just that the team is a work in progress and the coaches see more potential than what the players have shown up to now.
I suggest everyone go to gamecocksonline to the men's basketball page and watch the presser from today.
This post was edited by Jelsik Sturm 16 months ago
Darrius Morrow, Demontre Harris, Anthony Gill, Murphy Holloway, Ramon Galloway, and Austin Steed all could've helped us win many games had they not moved on, or maybe they were pushed. The only common denominator is Horn. He was a dumpster fire.
Hate to tell you but Martin had a history of high roster turnover at KSU and it happens in most programs. Just look at our football team. But besides that, are you drunk? Harris and Gill would probably still be here if Horn were, Holloway had come back to Columbia because of personal family issues and when they were straightened out he wanted to go back to the school and coach he chose first and where he had made many friends, and beyond that what on earth do any of those players have to do with the performance of this years team? Are you really so obtuse as to think Horn pushed all those players out? I guess you think Horn was hired by the tater conspiracy and was trying not to win. Hate to inform you but a coach can't stop a player from going anywhere he wants to go and sometimes a player and coach don't want the same things.
If the team doesn't perform well this season that is not on Horn. Martin has been working with these guys since the summer, so quit making excuses. It's his team and if they don't do what he tells them to do, it's on him. Even Martin would agree to that. And unlike you and other soreheads, he has been gracious in his praise of the prior staff.
This post was edited by Spurley 16 months ago
I'll stop when you you get grounded in reality.
I think Martin is doing fine with what he has to work with. I'm not drunk, although reading your drivel would be easier if I was. Morrow, Galloway, and Steed were all pushed by Horn. Holloway played Horn like a fiddle and Horn appeared powerless to stop it. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Horn didn't suggest to Harris and Gill that they go elsewhere.
If you go back and read my post without plotting your retort while you read, you would notice that I didn't mention Martin, I didn't make even one single excuse, and I never suggested anything about this year's team struggling because of Martin, Horn, the amount of time Martin has had to work with them, or anything else.
I simply stated that the players who have left this program - all better than some currently playing minutes for us - would have helped us win many games over the last few years. Surely you aren't arguing that I am wrong. Do you think we wouldn't be a much better team if we had Harris, Gill, and Holloway starting at 3-4-5?
If we had Ellington/Williams at 1, Page at 2, Holloway 3, Gill 4, and Harris 5 with Carrera, Kacinas, Slawson, Smith, Leonard, Richardson, etc coming off the bench, we're a lock NCAA team.
I can't assign complete blame to Horn for those guys not being here, but I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that he took a decent program and ran it into the sewer.
Reality is Horn had 4 classes. He chose to sign NO ONE in his first. That is reality. And to defend him by saying he only had 3 classes, would be like not signing a single kid in 4 years and then defending it by saying he had no classes. He did, but chose to only bring walk-ons on to the team.
Reality is that Gill wasn't staying. He wasn't happy here. That was mid-season. I know several former players, including a guy that played for Horn. Gill was wanting to transfer long before Horn was fired.
Reality is that Morrow would have still signed with USC had Horn done things differently.
Reality is that Holloway left, as a credit to Horn, bc Horn wouldn't cater to him.
Reality is that Horn allowed an assistant coach to convince him to push Galloway out.
Reality is that Jackson is a wing player that won't even look at the rim if you give him a ten foot jump shot.
Reality is that just bc a program offers a player, that doesn't make them a high D1 kid. Va Tech offers everyone. USC offered Matt Howard. He's signed with Penn. Not Penn St, but Penn. So, just bc an SEC team once offered him, that suddenly makes him SEC level? Guess that's just Penn's luck that they were able to snag a high D1 kid from several states away. I mean, I'm betting all the D1 programs between here and Penn are just dumbfounded. And, I bet he dominates up there. Just look at who else had offered him. Obviously a high D1 kid, as he had offers.
Reality is that most kids Horn brought in were below average SEC players.
Reality is that Horn passed on Torrey Criag. Who is possibly the best player in SC right now.
Reality is that Horn was passing on Roper.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by europhilz 16 months ago
You know one thing I had hoped never to have to do again was wade through a bunch of nonsense about Darius Morrow and Austin Steed. All that is missing is an appearance from Trevor Deloach.
Reality is Murrow was better than several guys on our roster. Simple fact. As is Torrey Craig and Jordan Roper.
Horn recruited better players than he signed; he signed a core of guys that were SEC caliber athletes, but could not retain them or could not develop them in the time he had allotted.
I do think he was unlucky; and I do think that he contributed quite a bit to his own demise; and I think some of that was immaturity and insecurity.
In retrospect, this is a pretty crappy job and it is probably more than a green coach can handle. But, I think there were a few things that went poorly for them that may have been the difference in success and failure.
Turning to the present, I tend to agree that Matt Howard isn't the answer, but I'm not sure Torrey Craig or Jordan Roper are either.
Are Justin McKie, Desmond Ringer, Lamonas, Minda, and Carrerra the answer? Thornwell would seem to be. Not sure. I will say coaching goes a long way but only so far.
Reality is that Morrow was a low character middling talent that had a middling career for a horrible C-USA team. He committed to a different failed coach, who played a different system, and from all accounts his beef was that Horn didn't fall all over himself for him the moment he was hired.
It is doubtful if he had enrolled if he would have completed his eligibility here if he had. And if he had, we would still have sucked, because he assuredly wasn't the difference in winning and losing.
Personally, I think it is time to let it go. Go back to being a prick about Lakeem Jackson. At least that has something to do with the current team.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by VBCock 16 months ago
Still better than some on our roster.
He has also greatly improved his passing, imo. He is starting to do what Larry Bird used to do, which is hold the ball with his back to the basket around the 3-point line, and let people cut to the basket, and hit one of them for an assist.
So, we have two areas in which I feel he has improved a pretty good amount. 1) his moves, and scoring around the basket. 2) his passing. and not just that, it is his ability to give the guy the ball where he can immediately score. Lakeem is the best on the team at this, which is basically dishing out assists, by a pretty good margin.
I think in another month, we will have more things we can say Lakeem has improved on.
Lakeem has always been a good ball handler. That was one of the talking points during his recruitment.
FWIW, I think Horn recruited, and landed some good players here. Stating the obvious, but the difference makers all left. We are now left with guys that did not have any other offers, for the most part, and Martin's first class.
You think that 6-months is enough time for a coach to implement his system, bring the players in he wants, and getting them to do everything he wants them to do. You say that Horn was not given enough time, 4 yrs, yet you say Martin has had plenty of time, 6 mos. Interesting.
About 10% of this is reality. The rest is exaggerated and/or embellished.
A real member of the program
Forgive me, but, which 10% would that be? I didn't realize a walkon was better connected than scholarship guys? Didn't realize you were around when Horn was hired and during his early years.
Maybe under Horn there was no such thing as a first class. And prior to what Martin did with Carrera, Kacinas, etc was 'never been seen before' type stuff?
Maybe the Lakeem Jackson I've watched for 3+ years, and seen defenders try to give him open jumpers and he doesn't even think about it - was actually a big mirage?
Maybe the fact that we offered Matt Howard makes him a massive, massive steal by Penn? As it somehow makes him a legit high D1 player simply bc of an offer?
Maybe you were around when the Morrow decommitment happened?
Maybe you think I shouldn't credit Horn in the Holloway situation?
Maybe you think most of our squad would get big time minutes at more than half of the SEC programs. It'd be interesting to hear who you think would get burn at UF, Kentucky, A&M, Mizzu, Bama, Arky, Vandy, etc.
Maybe you know that USC was hard after Torrey Craig and he wanted no part of SEC action?
Maybe I missed the offer to Jordan Roper?
Maybe Orlando Early was hard up for keeping Galloway around? Maybe you can explain the situation there, and why he went home with Bruce over the holidays if he was such a team cancer?
Maybe Gill and his father were extremely pleased with what was happening his freshman year and thought Horn was a magnificent coach?
Coach Martin is here now. Best wishes to Coach Horn. Nothing I can do about the past. Looking forward to the future, starting tomorrow. Glad to have Lakeem Jackson on the team.
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